Quarantine Shaming and Emergence of Groupthink

[Bob Butler 54]

(03-22-2020, 03:36 AM)TheNomad Wrote:

(03-21-2020, 09:32 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: The Prophet - Nomad - Hero configuration will likely be very important in resolving the current Crisis.  You ought to read S&H again and focus on that.  That is one of the larger differences between their ideology and your faux one.

The way I remember the narrative happening, the backlog of Crises becomes so overwhelming because of gridlock.  That gridlock comes from the battle of values/ideology (I don't like parse battles) between "aisles" and only ends when the Prophet (metaphorically) is "utterly spent" and has nothing more to give.  It steps away (figuratively) handing the reigns to Nomad.  When I find the exact quote, I will let you know.

I REALLY despise the idea of going to a book and citing chapter and verse.  I spent a lot of time having to do that with the bible and religious texts.  It's not a thing for me anymore. Nothing I can say would sway you from the values-driven theme, this post is as far as I'm willing to go to communicate, actually.

The various Crisis end with decisive victory, not with a particular generation becoming spent.  The exception might be Jim Crow, with no one being willing to fight for rights for the blacks anymore.  However, the Civil War proper ended in military victory.  Generally, I see the war part of a Crisis ending with fronts being pushed, followed by Constitution writing, amendments or the UN being created.  Failure by exhaustion may occur later during the Nomad's watch during the High?  People are less inclined to fight for abstract ideas? Materialism is more likely to dominate?

I am not a big fan of relying on a book either.  However, you present your system as pure S&H and it isn't.  The red and blue boomers are not a group as the two do not share a perspective. The blue boomers are of the Awakening and the progressive time. The red boomers are of the Unraveling and the conservative time. (Yes, I place the border with the election of Nixon, when the failures of the 1970s started. This is not book.)  You lump Nomads, Heroes and Artists together without providing reason, values or perspective.  Thus you could hypothesize anything.  

(03-22-2020, 03:36 AM)TheNomad Wrote:

(03-21-2020, 09:32 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: The contest and red and blue may be going away, rather than the aisle.  I am not sure.  Biden is not Sanders.  We will quite likely have a Crises light in which the blue agenda is not put fully in place.  In this case the next Prophet group may find the most important flaws in the culture to be resolved next time are in the red - blue divide.  In this case we could get a third red - blue Crisis.  This would not be ideal, but looks like how we are heading.  

Biden is Sanders.  I would prefer Sanders because he goes further than Biden.  Biden is a SAFE version of Sanders.  He is a conformist and a safe bet.  When that is not what we need in the Crisis, ensuring what is there now will remain.

HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?  How did we get the safest possible candidate?  From adherence to values-driven approach that sees a mirror image and then tries to imagine WHAT can beat that mirror image.  There's no room or possibility for a real implementation of anything.  I sense we will have what we have now until that "utterly spent" moment I quoted from the book.  I REALLY want to go find a page number, but I don't play those games anymore.

I think most people are obsessed with beating Trump more than pushing the blue agenda.  I suspect this is a mistake.  We will have a weaker crisis leaving parts of the red - blue battle unresolved, not to be pushed perhaps until the Awakening.