Quarantine Shaming and Emergence of Groupthink

[Eric the Green]

(03-21-2020, 01:40 PM)TheNomad Wrote:

(03-21-2020, 07:06 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: What Nomad is calling Groupthink corresponds to the unity of the Profit, Nomad & Hero after the Trigger, Regeneracy and into the heart of the crisis.  This is a major feature of S&H.  It occurs every Crisis.  It refines the new values which are enforced in the coming high.  Basically, the ideals at the heart of the crisis are accepted by most and made part of the culture.

The virus is more and more looking like the Trigger for this time around.  A little late - the Prophets are getting too old to run for president, and about to cede control - but not never.  The primary trial and error will be performed by the medical community, but it looks like we will all play parts, and the urgency is apt to spread to other issues.

If so, the virus is illustrating the idea that politics must acknowledge science, that one cannot create lies and fantasy perspectives that have nothing to do with reality.  It is unexpected, but is shaped to illustrate and force acceptance of a key part of the progressive worldview.

Nomad is abandoning S&H language, making up his own, to try to create his own lies and fantasy, to attempt to deny the cycles.

I am personally hoping the quarantine will last less long than the four years it traditionally takes to fight a Crisis war.  The military usually has to spend time mobilizing, learning how to most effectively use the weapons of the time, and eventually push the fronts.  It will probably take the medical community less time, but the new unity will likely spread to global warming and other issues stalled by conservative ideology (or Groupthink) to ignore problems and not take action.

I personally think we ought to stick with S&H language and theory and not go with Nomad’s alternate.

The "unity" seen for the first time right now IS the beginning of Regeneracy - to which I am of course not opposed.

This "unity" must overcome the paradigm of the Prophet.  He is not involved because he wants to be, it is of necessity only.  And in youth, the Prophet does not conform, generally, to such a paradigm shift except on his own terms.  It is never about unification.

What we are seeing now is the beginning (NOT THE FULFILLMENT) of the Groupthink that will bring stale culture.  To which the next Prophet will rebel against in the next Awakening.

Please agree:

when Individualism is strong, OUTWARD regeneracy is weak.
When Collectivism is strong, INNER regeneracy is weak.

When you understand the above concept, we can begin to understand each other.  We are not here talking in our own terms and phrases since we are in the Generational Cycles forum concerning the ideology (NOT VALUES) of Strauss and Howe.

Values =/= Ideology
Ideology = / = Values

There's an incredibly stark difference.

Anyone who leads first with Values in the coming Regeneracy will be utterly shunned and left out.  You will be seen as part of the problem, not as part of the solution.

Not every human being has values.  Every human has ideology even if they know it or do not know it.  Not every human without values is IMMORAL either.  What the Regeneracy generation will come to be defined as (as has been previously) is a generation that sets aside all values in order to accomplish great things OUTWARDLY.  That is why they feel inwardly dead once all the accomplishment has been done.

Thus, usher in the next Prophet to revive in the opposite direction.

Yin and Yang are not values-driven.  They just are.  The ebb and flow of the wave accuses no one and has no righteous indignation.  It is a force of nature.  Prophet is not Yin/Yang oriented.  Prophet is an archetype of very inwardly-driven CAUSE.

That CAUSE-mentality has almost destroyed America.  Thank the gods I now know it won't destroy us, but only turn another corner in our history.

Some good thoughts from you both. From my more mystic perspective, which is not as respected in a 4T or a 1T, but which I cannot forget as a typical prophet, there was a lot of common ground among the idealistic prophets in the early to mid Awakening era. The new paradigm said that peace and ecology were necessary ideals and saving the planet a worthy goal, and that diversity was to be respected. It lifted mind above matter and mechanism (contrary to lds, is that his name) and elevated experience of higher consciousness and spirit as determining factors in life and society, and offered the chance of heightened sensitivity and love. As the later Awakening developed and Reaganomics was foisted upon the people by the corporate elite that resisted ecological and consumer reforms, individualism prevailed. The "do your own thing" motto which meant to unfold one's natural self expression which would naturally harmonize with others because it was authentic and inspired, was brought down to "looking out for #1" which was about avoiding taxes and regulations and giving carte blanche to greed as "good." 

The Awakening created new values, the green values. The purpose of the 4T is to enact these values and make them the basis for new institutions and a new consensus after defeating the resistance to them. 4Ts are not about unity and have never been so. It is a battle, and prophets lead the way. Compromise fails. There is no substitute for victory. It is not having a point of view that is wrong; what is wrong is letting the wrong view win. The right view must win; there's no way around it. The battle lines are drawn and all generations are drawn in.

I do elevate values as of higher "value" over ideology. It is ideology that has crippled us, specifically the right-wing ideologies. I would say values ARE morality. The good is a value, and the good is what morality is. Prophets are driven by a spiritual awakening. We prophets are indeed driven by causes, and that can get in the way, I admit, of peaceful cooperation and compromise, but it's also essential for the regeneracy to have a prophet leader who can combine dedication to realizing the values of the Awakening with a nomad-like dedication to doing whatever is necessary to meet the crisis. Perhaps another Obama-cohort leader like Mitch Landrieu may emerge to provide this combo, as did FDR and Lincoln.

The regeneracy started in 2017-18 with the resistance to Trump, the mobilization for gun control, the climate marches and the movement that elected a Democratic congress. If things go well, which is not at all clear, that regeneracy will put Joe Biden in the White House for a while. He is not a great prophet leader though, so that prospect still awaits us. But he might well lead society back onto a reasonably valuable path, and the regeneracy will continue because his leadership will not be enough to meet the needs which this regeneracy addresses.

The virus crisis is a momentary event that has some chance of moving us toward more collective action. That is necessary in a 4T. That does not mean unity, since two or more collectives are at war during a 4T, especially one that resembles the civil war crisis as ours does. Individualism fades away in a 4T. I mostly agree with:

when Individualism is strong, OUTWARD regeneracy is weak.

When Collectivism is strong, INNER regeneracy is weak.

However, I think there are not two whole turnings of one and then the other. In a 1T collectivism is strong but individualism is beginning among some. In a 2T individualism is rising but collectivism remains strong for a while and starts to decline. In a 3T individualism is strong but some people see that we need more collectivism. In a 4T collectivism is rising and some individualism is left over for a while.

The essence of this crisis remains the issues Bernie Sanders defined. He is the gray champion who may not be president, but is defining what needs to regenerate. The climate crisis, the inequality crisis, the health care crisis (which the virus crisis may heighten), the threat to democracy, too much nationalism, racism and militarism, these and more must be resolved to a degree so that progress can start again and continue instead of decline. Expect this 4T to continue to 2028-29.