I did not sense the material portrayed any archetype as positive or negative, good or bad.. they seemed rather ambivalent and academic.
My opinions about the Prophet archetype (or whatever it is you are saying) is from me. I mean, from me while being influenced by the concepts in the books. Like I said, I never sensed the authors were empassioned about anything except in The 4th Turning, they billed it as "prophecy" and maintained a rather strong push that something Dark was coming. The 4th Turning was written in the 90s.
If you ever listened to the audiobook version of 4th Turning (forward narrated by the actual authors) they still seem highly academic and don't really take any passioned stance except at certain moments. You can actually hear their inflections.
Even still, I wouldn't expect "passion" to play any role in science. You seem to pose science as the equalizer, but science is by nature devoid of any passion or values, it simply makes suppositions and hypotheses.
I think I have a really good understanding of the basics of the framework. How the cycles work, which follows what, how the archetypes fit in and how they are shaped by the Turnings, by how they were raised, and by how their parents raised them and how THEIR parents were raised before. It seems to be all about that.
Yes, I do think once Prophet diminishes and the values-based approach is abandoned we will see worker ants almost possessed by a spirit of Solving instead of bickering. That's my opinion, but it's also laid out in the framework.
High and restructuring happens when Prophet is passing on. I don't think that's a mistake or coincidence. Priority goes to solutions rather than values. Some say they are not mutually exclusive, but if we are dealing with Turnings. Why are the problems getting solved when the Prophet archetype transitions from the deathbed to the crib? I mean, I didn't create that swing, it's from the authors. They made this format.
My opinions about the Prophet archetype (or whatever it is you are saying) is from me. I mean, from me while being influenced by the concepts in the books. Like I said, I never sensed the authors were empassioned about anything except in The 4th Turning, they billed it as "prophecy" and maintained a rather strong push that something Dark was coming. The 4th Turning was written in the 90s.
If you ever listened to the audiobook version of 4th Turning (forward narrated by the actual authors) they still seem highly academic and don't really take any passioned stance except at certain moments. You can actually hear their inflections.
Even still, I wouldn't expect "passion" to play any role in science. You seem to pose science as the equalizer, but science is by nature devoid of any passion or values, it simply makes suppositions and hypotheses.
I think I have a really good understanding of the basics of the framework. How the cycles work, which follows what, how the archetypes fit in and how they are shaped by the Turnings, by how they were raised, and by how their parents raised them and how THEIR parents were raised before. It seems to be all about that.
Yes, I do think once Prophet diminishes and the values-based approach is abandoned we will see worker ants almost possessed by a spirit of Solving instead of bickering. That's my opinion, but it's also laid out in the framework.
High and restructuring happens when Prophet is passing on. I don't think that's a mistake or coincidence. Priority goes to solutions rather than values. Some say they are not mutually exclusive, but if we are dealing with Turnings. Why are the problems getting solved when the Prophet archetype transitions from the deathbed to the crib? I mean, I didn't create that swing, it's from the authors. They made this format.