Quarantine Shaming and Emergence of Groupthink

[Bob Butler 54]

(03-23-2020, 07:41 PM)TheNomad Wrote: Yes, I do think once Prophet diminishes and the values-based approach is abandoned we will see worker ants almost possessed by a spirit of Solving instead of bickering.  That's my opinion, but it's also laid out in the framework.

High and restructuring happens when Prophet is passing on.  I don't think that's a mistake or coincidence.  Priority goes to solutions rather than values.  Some say they are not mutually exclusive, but if we are dealing with Turnings.  Why are the problems getting solved when the Prophet archetype transitions from the deathbed to the crib?  I mean, I didn't create that swing, it's from the authors.  They made this format.

My view is that the debate (across the aisle as you put it) occurs during the Unravelling and early Crisis.  Not overly productive.  Say bad things about this phase if you like.  Then the Trigger and Regeneracy begins a time when you change from debating the issues to actually solving the problems.  In the Industrial Age the surrender of the bad guys ends this phase.  The Constitution, the post Civil War Amendments, the UN Charter are typical of setting the solutions in place hopefully permanently.  In practice, these things do not work as well as hoped.  Then you get the High, which is stagnant and boring (with infrastructure building.)

Thus, the Prophet - Nomad - Hero configuration is key to learning and first implementing the new values.  By the time the High and the Nomad - Hero - Artist combination is there, the Crisis is well over and the values are in place.

Thus, your ideology delays things arbitrarily, is distinct from S&H, and has no evidence of occurring in the real world. You attack the problem and stop talking about it with the Trigger and Regeneracy, not when the Prophets age out.