03-23-2020, 10:12 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-23-2020, 11:06 PM by Eric the Green.)
(03-23-2020, 07:41 PM)TheNomad Wrote: I
I think I have a really good understanding of the basics of the framework. How the cycles work, which follows what, how the archetypes fit in and how they are shaped by the Turnings, by how they were raised, and by how their parents raised them and how THEIR parents were raised before. It seems to be all about that.
Yes, I do think once Prophet diminishes and the values-based approach is abandoned we will see worker ants almost possessed by a spirit of Solving instead of bickering. That's my opinion, but it's also laid out in the framework.
High and restructuring happens when Prophet is passing on. I don't think that's a mistake or coincidence. Priority goes to solutions rather than values. Some say they are not mutually exclusive, but if we are dealing with Turnings. Why are the problems getting solved when the Prophet archetype transitions from the deathbed to the crib? I mean, I didn't create that swing, it's from the authors. They made this format.
Although you have a good understanding of the framework, the role of the prophet was not supposed to be as you say. Maybe the boomers have not lived up to their role, so today's nomads such as yourself don't think they can do it. But S&H clearly said the prophets are elder leaders in the 4th turning crisis, not that they simply die or get out of the way. Without prophets the crisis is not met. It is definitely a time of drastic action, and possible great war, which happens because prophets are at the helm, with nomads providing management skills and heroes providing the shock troops. Restructuring happens in the fourth turning.
We are nowhere near a High; the battle has not even been joined. You got that thoroughly mixed up. We are in the 4th turning. We are 1850s redux. The battle is on the horizon between red and blue. That's where we are. The way out is the way through. We must face the crisis and join the battle against the reds. The crisis is not solved by a lack of values, causes not fought for and decisions not being made. The Revolutionaries pledged their lives, fortunes and sacred honor to their cause. Lincoln called his prophetic cause something to dedicate our lives and our last full measure of devotion to. Churchill and FDR called World War II the glorious cause. Nothing has been dealt with yet that has caused this crisis. A huge agenda remains. Only when THEY, the red tribe (of all generations) are defeated, can we move into a calmer period of recovery and "high" when the prophets will pass on and nomads will be the grouchy elder leaders saying the buck stops here and get off my lawn. I hope we can do it without war and through persuasion and law in this new age, although the 4T track record is not good and our current adversaries are dug in.
The 1T high is a time when new building continues that is based on the restructuring and great changes and decisions made by prophet leaders, nomad managers and hero soldiers and workers during the 4T. Those 4T changes and decisions will happen through the next decade. The 1T you confuse our current time with will not begin until 2029.