When Did The "Crisis" Begin?

[Bob Butler 54]

(03-31-2020, 10:34 PM)TheNomad Wrote: That would be quite correct.  According to 4t authors, he will be ruinous until such time that his "power" is handed over to a Nomad.  Due to that, and that we have a similar Ancient to be running against him and not a Nomad (although things are always flexible) I was sad to see that no Nomad has continued on to oppose him, and it points to a second term.

The millstone continues to grind.

Well, no.  This is the great difference between your ideology and S&H.  The Crisis is supposed to come with a Prophet - Nomad - Hero configuration of generations.  The Grey Champion is supposed to be a Prophet.  The idealism of the prophet generation is an important and positive part of the Crisis configuration.  

Turnings are supposed to be defined by which stereotype is missing.  A Crisis is defined by the Artists being missing.  The trauma is gone, thus the other three sorts of folk are free to run their trial and error.  The High is defined by the lack of ideals.  Ideals missing, you get stagnation, materialism and conformity to the pattern set in the prior Crisis.  This comes under Nomad leadership, where the lack of ideals leads them to do nothing.

The heart of the Crisis, the epicenter, generally occurs with a Prophet Grey Champion.  It starts with some sort of Trigger, not with the aging out of the Prophets.  The military triggers during the three prior Crises would be Lexington & Concord, Fort Sumter, and Pearl Harbor.  All three occurred with the Prophet generation around and quite in charge.

Now the Unraveling is not my favorite time of the cycle.  Oh, the selfishness is nice if you are into that sort of thing.  Ask not what you can do for your country.  Ask what your country can do for you.  But the constant debate between the old values and the new is a pain.  The perpetual argument about whether to go with the old values or the new is tedious.  This sort of back and forth debate across the aisle and see saw is not ideal no matter which set of values you adhere to,  And, essentially the early part of pre-Trigger Crisis is a continuation of the Unraveling.

Ugh.  Say as many bad things about this period continuing too long as you like, but acknowledge that the acceptance of the new ideals is the key to transforming the culture.  That is the ultimate goal of the cycles.  You are allowing the Nomad skepticism of ideals ruin your understanding of S&H.

But to have the new values triumph you want an idealist in charge.  The Prophet is part of the Crisis configuration of generations in providing leadership.  The best the Nomads can do in the High is enforce the new ideals while being materialistic, building infrastructure, and stomping on the old values.  Thus, your ideology in demonizing the Prophets tries to eliminate the ideals of the Prophet generation, and put the transformation incorrectly in the High.  

This is entirely not observed in history and totally wrong according to S&H theory.