04-13-2020, 10:38 AM
(04-13-2020, 09:42 AM)Blazkovitz Wrote:(04-13-2020, 05:41 AM)Isoko Wrote: Even still, the whole idea of a globalist universalistic society is just that. A pure fantasy. It is about as realistic as the great technological age of flying cars that awaits us. Or the space colonies we are supposed to have anytime soon now. It just will not happen. Atleast for hundreds of years.
It depends only on our determination to make these things reality.
World State is not a fantasy. Hunter-gatherers lived in communities of at most 150 people. They couldn't imagine a nation-state of 10 or 100 million individuals. Now human genotypes haven't changed so much, but we live in societies this big.
You have some good points but I tend to believe in the concept of continued rises and falls. Is a world state possible? Very much so. But then look at the Roman Empire or even the Catholic Church. People have new ideas, the same old becomes rotten to the core and eventually you have division and new forms of conflict.
The bigger they are, the harder they fall, as the saying goes. Imagine how the Roman Empire was. A completely civilised society. Eventually it collapsed leading to a new dark age where people went back to living in a tribal society. It took them 1,000 years to get back to the concept of what was Rome. And even then, it took them another 900 years to get sanitation right again, which only started to take shape in the 19th century.
My point is this is the overall Humanity's destiny for along time to come. Also before anyone contradicts this, remember that only in the 1990s were they proclaiming the birth of a new liberal world order of peace and prosperity, technological advancement and peace for all.
We are sat here in 2020 and discussing the possibility of economic depression and nationalist revivals. Who would have predicted that in 1991?
Also, biotechnological moral enhancement will come into play. Noone wants a psychopath child, or a sadistic child, so Dark Triad will be eliminated. Without Dark Triad individuals there will be less potential dictators who might play up ethnocentrism
To me that sounds like slavery. If we can condition people to rid themselves of bad traits, why not use this technology to enslave people? And what is right and wrong? How can we say this is for the greater good and the other is evil?
Remember all of those Nazi doctors? They actually believed that by doing all of those experiments, they were acting for the greater good of the people. That their work would build a better future.
Or the Soviets with their destruction of the Kulaks. Or the British and their destruction of traditional cultural heritage. All in the name of the greater good.
So if we go down this road, then God help us because that is destroying what it makes for us to be Human. That is free will.
Sure, but they don't need to be inherited. I hope there will be more subcultures to choose from, rather than parroting your dad's lifestyle.
To be honest, I tend to find that the pendulum always swings more to the left and right depending on life and circumstances of the time. For example, my father is more left wing then I am because he grew up in different times. I am more conservative in comparison.
As for subcultures, they change with the times. In more affluent times, they always trend to the left. In more tougher times, they go to the right. It is the nature of time.
Quote:I agree with him though that gay marriage or abortion is not going to be overturned but I would say that people are going to become more centrist rather then right or left wing. People are fed up with the left and more sympathetic to the right these days yet not willing to go down the full conservative path either.
Abortion will probably become obsolete because of improved contraception techniques. LGBT? I believe in a psychoanalytical explanation of these conditions, rather than in a gay gene. So if children grow up in more balanced, more mature environment with good role models of both sexes, the number of gays and transgenders might go down.
I think that this is a potential possibility. I think honosexuality will be accepted in the future but there will be more of a centrist view. That is no mass promotion of LGBTQ culture like there has been. People are fed up of that. But gays in general no one has any issues with.
Quote:Right now people are still entertained but give it 100 years and when the current technology becomes the same old, they will start to dream of more fantastical destructive ways to elevate the boredom. As is history.
Our descendants might fight a war in virtual reality if they feel like fighting. But I think they will prefer to alleviate boredom by exploring the Cosmos.
The thing is, technology has started to stagnate once again. The last greatest invention has been the internet. I think for this century, technological advancement will start to decline as all the low hanging fruit has been picked. Exactly the same as what happened in 1914.
It all depends on if present day lifestyles around the globe can be continued and how big the technological push is going to be. But eventually there will be a big war and that is just inevitable. Of course out of the ashes comes renewed determination and maybe we will get to the cosmos. Until that leads to war.