04-14-2020, 07:18 PM
(04-14-2020, 04:45 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(04-14-2020, 01:33 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(04-14-2020, 12:15 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I'm not the one who was using someone else's theory as a means to advance a Marxist agenda.
Again, I am not pursuing a Marxist agenda. Marxism resulted in an autocratic system that ignored human rights and multi party democracy. Moving towards that would be against the arrow of progress. That has not been what I have been advocating. Thus you show your lack of integrity and truthfulness by continuing to slander. Is that all you can do? Slander? Is that all your ideology has come to stand for? Falsehood? Correcting your obvious lies is tedious, but no where near what I have to do with others.
Are you sure that you aren't/haven't been pursuing a Marxist agenda? You sure seem like you have been doing it to me. You're still half Marxist right. Yes, Marxism (Democratic Socialism as Bernie referred to it) would result in an autocratic system like China's, the former Soviet Union, Vietnam, Venezuela, North Korea and Cuba these days. Of coarse, it would be voted for initially like in Venezuela instead of imposed by victors of civil wars and revolutions like the other countries. Do you know what I've been doing as you've been doing your thing? I've spent well over a decade listening to progressives of all sorts telling me what they want, what they're going to be able to do, what they're going to get rid of, who they're going to punish and what's going to happen to the Americans who oppose them. I've been exposing them to other American and showing other people who and what they really are and making it possible for them to make proper decisions for themselves and the future of their children and reminding them that they're picking on a WARRIOR culture that has very few pussies and very few people who are incapable of fighting their own battles.
You tell me who is a Marxist! I confess to having read the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital, but at least I could see glaring holes in each. The Communist Manifesto is simply a bad piece of writing. Das Kapital may be tedious, but I see a pattern in which Marx sees history largely as progress from primitive poverty to classical slavery to feudalism to capitalism (in his time) with portents of "socialism" as Marx saw it (government ownership and operation of productive enterprise) toward the final ideal of Communism in which scarcity no longer exists and Man is truly free to live according to his nature. Marx oversimplifies history; most Romans were serfs, and the breakdown of the imperial power made taxation impossible while making the enforcement of peonage impossible. Serfdom returned (Vinogradoff) only when barbarian hordes such as the Magyars and Vikings proved enough of a menace for freehold farmers to submit to military organization, trading freedom and dignity permanently for some temporary safety. Slavery was the cornerstone of some of the economic orders in the New World while capitalism was beginning to take off without slavery.
Marxism does not succeed because it offers meaning to alienated intellectuals. Marxism succeeds politically because people are ready for revolutionary change in view of the cruelty, inequity, deprivation, madness, and tyranny of the existing order. Marxist intellectuals can hone a message to oppressed workers as effectively as an ad-man can make advertising for chairs and hats. In a healthy capitalist order the advertising for chairs and hats draws attention. In a thoroughly rotten order, chairs and hats are not available -- but dispossessing the exploitative elites is all that works.
The best support of a Marxist revolution is that the existing social order has nothing to offer the common man.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.