06-10-2020, 10:54 AM
(06-10-2020, 09:34 AM)Mickey123 Wrote: This is your progress, but it is merely a reaction to a change in the nature of society, not a driving spiritual force. This means it only needs to go as far as it needs to go. Kings and patriarchy and semi-permanent social classes were far from a perfect system in the past, but they were good enough, so they went on for thousands of years. The new system will also be far from perfect, becoming no better than general efficiency demands.
The U.S. is behind the rest of the first world when it comes to social programs protecting its citizens, and so we can predict that it will put into place these same programs or eventually the government will be overthrown. The Crisis is the time for this to happen. It can also be the time for great mistakes to be made, as Russia, China, North Korea, or WW II Germany made. We don't know what's going to happen, but if we want to try to predict it, expecting a positive spiritual force to drive us ever onwards towards perfection is going to lead us to the wrong predictions.
Hmm…. A pretty good summary of how ages drive the basic pattens of humanity…. The problem is that it deals with only two ages - the Agricultural and Industrial - while leaving the other two ages out - Hunter Gatherer and Information. Without an understanding of how the Information Age is different, from trying to claim that the Industrial Age pattern is going to hold, this “is going to lead us to the wrong predictions.”
The most pertinent to our discussion is how nukes and insurrection make crisis war triggers much more rare. If triggers lead to different forms of crisis or possibly no crisis, what does this do to the pattern?
But Eric has a different form of causality. I suspect you will not be able to shake him from his perspective. I know I wasn’t.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.