(06-12-2020, 08:07 AM)Isoko Wrote: 1. The vast majority of mixing usually occurs in America.
2. Actually...the vast majority of ethnic groups in Russia get along. They live separately and usually marry within their own groups but overall there isn't any animosity and ever has been.
3. I'd say this great melting pot concept is more of an American thing if I am honest. Still, your views are very American and I agree that for America, it is the likely future. As a friend of mine from Finland once jokingly noted to me, "in America, 1/3 of the population will deliberately shag outside their race. 1/3 will not shag outside the group. The remaining 1/3 do not care who they shag."
Point 2. Do they? Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Holodomor? Plus Chechnya, as you mentioned. The Russian Federation seems to be just that, Russian.
Points 1 & 3: America is different from other nations. We are a legal/philosophical nation, a pure Polity (state society). All nations are a Polity, and most have some correspondence with an Ethnie (an ethnic nationality). For example other countries have a name for their country (e.g. Russia. France, China, Mexico etc.) We don't, we are the United States of America. We are named for the continent on which the states were located. In fact, we were founded as a confederation, like Germany. We didn't become a nation until 1868 when the 14th Amendment defined citizens as those born or naturalized withing the boundaries of the United States. Long before this, people had called us America, and so we officially began the "American" nation in 1868. But we had to fight a civil war to get to that point.
Now we could have set up a nation at the Constitutional convention, based on the dominant ethnic group of the time, English. But we had just fought a revolution against the English and did not want to acknowledge that we we were an English nation, because that would mean we should never have rebelled against our King. So we did not set up "America" as an English nation.
We could have defined American in terms of some ethnicity (e.g. English) but we had just fought a bloody war, into which the English had considered intervening. Furthermore we just made our people of West African ancestry (13% of us) American citizens. So we defined "American" as those who were born or naturalized here. It is a political/legal definition, not an ethnicity.
We never explicitly defined America as English per se, although our ruling class was English (WASP) and people were expected to learn English when they came here, (but you have to speak the language to get ahead, so the youth tend to learn it anyway). But we do have a culture. All the immigrant scientists at work acknowledge that their kids are Americans and radically different from what they were like in youth back in the homeland. But they chose to come here, they knew full well this would happen.
What unites us is a shared political and legal tradition, built on English antecedents, but which has evolved independently for a quarter millennium. We are also a Western nation, as are all of the countries of the New World, who speak Western European languages and are ancestrally Western in religion/philosophy. For religion that means Roman Catholicism & its Protestant offshoots (not Orthodox). For philosophy that means some type of liberalism.
Today people speak of an assault on liberalism by "postmodernism" or "Wokism". Yet the core content of these philosophies is some kind of moral argument. But where to the morals come from? What grounds them? Why is mass incarceration or police violence on black men wrong? Why is a system that keeps most people in a subservient/dependent position relative to the ruling class wrong? It comes from the things mentioned in the previous paragraph.
