The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(06-15-2020, 08:11 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(06-15-2020, 05:03 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(06-15-2020, 04:44 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(06-15-2020, 04:21 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(06-15-2020, 12:01 PM)David Horn Wrote: Ah, no -- not really.  The obvious examples are Australia, with a very conservative government, and New Zealand, run by Socialists.  Both brought the virus to near zero and are keeping it there.  Both countries are more-or-less open, in the US meaning of the term.  So again here, the fault lies with the dickhead in the White House ... full stop.

Run by social democratics and are centre left to be exact. (New Zealand)

Here in the USA, anything left of center is considered socialist, at least by the Trumpist crowd.  Actually, by some mainstream conservatives too.

As said it is CENTRE left. So not completely left of centre. Any person regardless of political affiliation who would lump them as one group (socialist) is an idiot. There are always variations.

In America, we have the Left and the American Left. The American Left are a lot like us. They believe in the American Constitution, they value their American rights as much as we do, they value the America flag like we do, they value American tradition and they also believe in the American rule of law as well. The Left isn't paying attention as usual because the Left believes that we are to stupid to distinguish the difference between those on the American Left and them. I was pretty much educated by the American Left. I've been tangling with the Left for many years. Eric and Dave are on the Left. PB and Bob are some where in between the Left and American Left. Which isn't a good place be when the American Left see's the writing on the wall begins to move to the the American side.

Most people on the American Left support gun control, which according to you means they don't believe in the American Constitution, since the second amendment (the only invalid amendment IMO) is the only one you care about.

You right-wing guys use the word "American" a lot. Johnny Carson used to play a character named Floyd R. Turbo, who represents you guys. He would come out and give a comical, ridiculous opinion after introducing himself as Floyd R Turbo, 'merican, and give a salute. He would usually wear some kind of uniform.

I think if you were in France, you say that you believe in France. If you were in Brazil you would say you believe in Brazil. You believe in authority. That's basically what conservatives do. You guys are authoritarian personalities. You find comfort in the traditions. You like to have someone who can tell you what's right. You also like to be in authority yourself so you can tell others what to do. You believe in hierarchy, order and tradition. You like things to stay the same, according to the old authorities. Symbols of America mean more to you that the reality. If someone bends a knee during the national anthem or burns an American flag, that is an assault on your personal identity as an American. Having that group identity and the comfort that this identity provides for you is important. You are thereby sanctioned by authority. You are patriotic, which means to you that you support your country whether it does right or wrong. Protests should not be allowed; obey the authority. Except of course, when you don't.

Being a social conservative, you believe that your group, the real "Americans," should rule over other groups, at least here in the good ol USA. You deny that you are a racist, but the word "American" also has the connotation that you support things that come from America, not from foreign countries. You think the way things are done in America are the right way, and that the way things are thought or done in Europe or Asia or somewhere else is not American, so you oppose them. You are xenophobic; you oppose lenient immigration; you think "Americans" are the people who are already here now, or better yet, have been here for two or three hundred years or so, and are mostly white Europeans descended from the colonialists. Of course, that means they were once European too, and this also may not include the natives who were here for 13,000 years, so your "American" view makes zero sense. But that doesn't matter to you. Your views are based on your fears and your need for traditional authority, not on questioning authority, or on any kind of logic or intuition.