06-16-2020, 10:52 AM
(06-16-2020, 10:36 AM)David Horn Wrote:(06-15-2020, 10:57 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(06-15-2020, 05:30 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(06-15-2020, 04:38 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I hate to give you the news, but a number of countries did just that; they stopped a virus with no cure, and are now re-opening their economy. The USA could not do that because we have no leadership. You and your dear leader wish to sacrifice people who are older than you just to save the economy. But what has happened is we both got more older people dying AND screwed up our economy big time because we had no leadership. We need to fix that in November.
Nitpick. Is it the leader or the values he represents? If you look at the bad presidents club - Buchanan, Hoover, Bush 43, Trump - is it the people or the ideas that they tried to use after their time had gone by?
Pretty much both.
Here, I agree with Eric. Trump is bad personally and ideologically. He may be unique in that. Even Buchannan was a basically decent and worthwhile individual. He just had ideas and methods that were well past their sell date. Hoover, much the same. But Trump is different. He's personally repugnant. He set a new low for the office -- one we're best not challenging again, ever!
Agreed. Eric just snipped a sentence where I agreed with you.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.