The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(06-18-2020, 01:48 AM)taramarie Wrote:

(06-18-2020, 01:25 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(06-17-2020, 09:37 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: My skin color is not relevant.

The lack of justice and equality is relevant.  The racist patten of the police is relevant.  Your own racist and violent attitudes that this pattern should continue is relevant.

Every two or four generations there is rejection of the racism, and movement towards justice.  Many conservatives, such as yourself, would rather see the racism, violence, injustice in inequality continue.  This isn’t your moment in history.  Go fade into the looser's place in the history books, the holder of an antiquated set of values which are held as abhorrent.

As I've said, the only groups that have a major stake or vested interest in the continuation of racism, violence and injustice in equality are the groups that we've watched protest and watched rioting, looting and destroying portions of cities and liberal Democrats who are mainly reliant on them for their political power and lively hood these days. Nope. I'm glad to say that this isn't my moment in history and I have no problem with you claiming it as yours . It's pretty clear to me, the thugs/criminals/looters won the recent battle that took place in the blue cities and the liberal Democrats seem to be eager to please and seem eager to make concessions. My time in history has yet to come.

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Three times race has bubbled up to become a significant issue to the culture.

Once was the Civil War.  The conservative faction wanted to maintain slavery.  The progressives at first wanted to limit it to where it was.  This was the Industrial Age.  If you wanted to change the status quo, you seemed to need violence.  Well, the conservative faction initiated the violence, and were overcome by the response.

The second time was the Civil Rights Movement.  If the border of the Information Age was World War II, this was very early in it.  You got transformational change through protest and democracy, which was what happened.  The peaceful protest was opposed by racist violence by the police and others in the conservative faction who wished to retain racial supremacy.  Some organizations like the Black Panthers thought violence necessary, but were proven wrong.

This is the third time.  The primary movement is Black Lives Matter.  They are opposing racist violence by the conservative faction.  They conservatives are, of course, responding with racist violence.  That is not how things are resolved in the Information Age.  You protest until you get a response though democracy.  Of course, the conservative faction initiated racial violence.  That is what they do.  Of course there are looters as well as protesters.  The Boogaloo Bois believe the establishment has failed, and revolution is the proper response.  That approach was tried by Lenin, Stalin and Mao.  It didn’t work that well at all.  You respond to the people by giving them what they demand.  You respond to the looters with police.

This is of course not the response of certain racist police unions, of Trump, or of you.  You have consistently supported racist violence, and Agricultural Age element of the culture which has long required removal.  As Taramarie’s post so clearly indicated, the protests against it have steadily escalated.  They are now reaching a crescendo which it is hard to ignore, at least if you are progressive.

I don’t believe violence is the way to go in the Information Age.  Transformations come through protest and democracy.  Still, the conservatives ignore protests and initiate violence rather than listen to the people.  To the extent they are violent, they invite a violent response.  This proves futile and counterproductive in the long run, but if you refuse to listen to polite protest then groups like the Boogaloos Bois will try to exploit the legitimate process that has a proven record in the Information Age.

You are clearly obsessed with violence.  You recently have been supporting racist violence.  Perhaps you really cannot tell the difference between Black Lives Matter and the Boogaloos Bois.  They have different doctrines and demand a different response.  In response to one, you end the conservative racist police violence.  In response to the other, law enforcement is appropriate.  If you try to combine the two, you get racism.  You are answering the right to assemble and redress grievances with racist violence.

Now some are disappointed that this crisis is kind of disappointing.  No crisis war.  Boring.  Here we are in the crisis heart, and nothing is happening.  Well, here we are getting a small echo of the Industrial Age.  The conservatives are again trying to resolve the issue through violence, they are again trying to maintain white supremacy, and a small part of the protests against the conservative violence is (gasp) violent.  Yes, the Boogaloo Bois reaction to the racist conservative violence is futile and unnecessary.  Yes, the police should resist the futility as much as possible.  That does not mean the main line protests are not valid or inevitable.