The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(06-23-2020, 10:41 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(06-23-2020, 12:32 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(06-23-2020, 12:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(06-23-2020, 11:47 AM)taramarie Wrote:

(06-21-2020, 01:35 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: By the Left silly. I've been showing the Left and warning the Left about what's going to happen to them for years.

I see. Thank you for answering. Btw, Eric, why state Classic is racist? Where has he shown he is racist? I have not so far seen one post of his that shows this. He threatens with violence constantly, but never have i seen a post that shows he is racist. The one who goes on about racism like a broken record is you. It is rampant in your country by what i have seen, but you are throwing daggers at those as it seems towards the wrong person.

He does not directly comment on race, but tends to be all in favor of the violent racist cops and against the protesters.  It kind of puts him on the wrong side.

Does not make him racist though. He may also be against how it is being carried out. Though i am surprised he is for the cops if true as i did not think he would be for something that is against the constitution. I thought that free speech is a protected right in the USA. Unless as i stated, he is against how the protest is taking place. We need to also consider that under certain circumstances by the sounds of what he has said if he feels his rights are being taken away from him he will fight for his rights. Even with guns if necessary. Which makes it interesting if he is against others fighting for theirs. I look forward to what his statement is on this. Can you clear this up, Classic?

I don't have the right to destroy public or private property that upsets me or the right to rob people and loot stores or the to block off/shut down a freeway system and so forth like other law abiding people who live in this country. I don't have a problem with free speech or a problem with peaceful protests or a problem watching a bunch of Democratic women walking around and looking silly with pink vaginas hats on their heads and acting like all their American rights were taken away or acting like they're all some how or another being oppressed.

You don't seem to know much about the US or the growing political divide here. Covid19 didn't bring us together and the latest thingy that happened in my state isn't going to bring us together after all the shit that went on during and afterwards and is still going on in some places today's. You see, about half the country are done with the Left and their Democrats all together, about a quarter of it are stilling clinging to a working class party that no longer exists and about a quarter of it are done with the country, hate the country for whatever reason and want to destroy it and start over from scratch. It's not racism that's dividing us these days.

I could give two shits about the color of a persons skin and give two shits about the color of a cop victims skin or the about the color of a cops skin either. In America, white cops killing black dudes makes big drama and increases rating. It's funny, in the liberal world, blacks can kill each other by the thousands and abort each other by the millions but if a white cop happens to kill one we all have to know about it and the world has to know about it too. But, we don't know or hear a damn thing when a Hispanic cop or an Asian cop or a black cop kills one them, one of their own, or one of us, or a criminal kills a cop. As far as violence, I will resort to violence like most people and I've made that clear to liberals with dreams of grandeur that include fundamentally changing the United States.

Classic Xer's racism comes out in statements like "one of us" (meaning white people) and his statements about whom he doesn't want to support with his taxes, whom he wants to keep out of the country, and so forth. But it's mostly that he does not care about any of the concerns of the people whom he calls the Left, and does not care about what happens to black "dudes" murdered by the cops. As for his "rights" to be defended by guns if necessary, it is only the guns themselves that he is concerned about defending his "rights" to. People like me on the Left don't care too much about those rights. We are willing to compromise on the issue, but people like Classic are not.

Classic's description about where "America" is right now is not far wrong. The Left may not be as powerful or popular as the Left thinks it is. Some on the Left are all in a tizzy that their candidate didn't win, and conclude the system is rigged. But Classic may not be correct entirely, because that "one quarter that cling to the working class party" are becoming more and more in agreement with the Left's agenda. He does not see his own racism in the mirror, even if it's only a tinge. Nor does he see that race still divides the country, just as it divides himself off from the Left. But Reaganomics is enthusiastically embraced by his half of the country (which may be dwindling down to about 40% these days), and Reaganomics is actually racist. Reagan began his campaign the same way as Trump just did, by starting it in a place where blacks were slaughtered. Reaganomics is built on resentment about paying taxes to help the poor, and the poor that they see their taxes go to are mostly non-white. Rather than come out and say they want to keep blacks and hispanics in their place, his side elects politicians who keep them in their place by promising to lower their taxes and who refuse to make any changes that might open up society to more advancement by blacks, or allow immigrants into the country who they think might compete with them, and who might degrade or "destroy" their society or make it less comfortable for them by making it less white.

Black on black crime is a real problem, I admit. There have been abortions and one parent families. Welfare mothers are used as a giant scapegoat by Reagan/Bush/Trump. It's not the problem they say it is, nor is immigration, but it makes a good target for politicians like Trump who stoke hatred and fear to get votes. Blacks do need to better educate and support their own. But it has been hard to rise above 400 years of slavery, discrimination and lynchings, and education is not well funded in poor areas. Of course we do hear about cops being killed too, and people in deep blue Santa Cruz CA flock to ceremonies to honor one in the midst of a pandemic, one who was killed by one of their own who got mixed up with the boogaloo boys.

What the conservatives like Classic flatly refuse to see or admit, to their own peril, is that we all rise or fall together. He might want to separate his half of the country off so he doesn't have to pay more taxes and can keep all his semi-machine guns, and better keep the immigrants out, and we on the other side may want to separate so the other side doesn't keep us on course to return to the Dark Ages. But the fact is, when the government supports and keeps people from falling into poverty because of discrimination and greed by the bosses who fire them and don't pay them well and pollute their town, and supports what works best when all the people pay for it, then business prospers because it has more customers. When government doesn't do this, then those few who benefit from the lower taxes and regulations grab up all the wealth, and economic and political power concentrates while the needs and real rights of the people are neglected. That's what has happened in the USA for 40 years. The middle class is shrinking and poverty is increasing. Some people like Classic don't feel the effects too much, so they don't realize what is happening to the nation they claim to love so much. But others do.

So we have a decision to make this decade. Do we separate, and allow one half to progress and the other to wallow in its delusions? Or do enough people see the problem with a Party and a leader who doesn't care about anything but its own power, to vote it out for good and restart the progress that was cut short in 1980?

Interestingly, most of the richest people who benefit from Reaganomics live in blue states. They know a good thing, and have the money to buy it. If red and blue states (and counties, probably) separate, the rich will have their wings clipped severely unless they move to red states and live in the fields of Nebraska instead of in penthouses with ocean views. Will they be able to navigate this situation, I wonder?