06-28-2020, 10:54 AM
Pbrower,
I have read Toynbee and his analysis does seem to fit in with Spengler and his theory. Overall I think that what we are seeing is the return of Caesarism and Donald Trump is in essence the first step, as is Brexit. If I'm honest, I think after Trump and when Brexit is finished will be more demands from the general public to take a strong hand on policy making, particularly as the economy continues its slow spiral downward.
I already know that in Britain, the main opposition is now the right wing in terms of what I call 'dissident thinking'. Its something in between civic nationalism and basic alt right ideas, without the ethno-nationalist jargon thrown in. I see non-white right wingers siding with the white right wingers basically asking the same thing: End mass immigration, stop political correctness, bring back family values, stop aiding the third world, banish Islam, etc, etc.
Looking at the UKIP phenomenon where that party was able to heavily influence the mainstream Conservative Party into running the Brexit referendum in the first place, I fully expect under the FPTP system, new right wing parties start to win seats, pressure the mainstream to act and the society goes even further right wing as a result.
I think the vandalising of Churchill's statue and the Cenotaph just went too far for the Brits to stomach.
The end result though is more Caesarism for the UK. Europe is pretty easy, they'll just vote for the Identitarian parties that I predict will actually start to get mainstream powers this decade. The continent tends to do 'revolution' more than the Brits.
My overall thoughts on the end result tend to be a belief that easily tapped resources are going to start running out or hitting major peak extraction this century, bringing an end to the industrial age we have lived under. Less resources means less global travel, less production of consumer goods and more focus on local communities in order to survive.
I wouldn't be surprised if the global village experiment starts to die out later on this century with most people living lives similar to their ancestors. I predict a huge boom in farming as the main economy sometime down the road.
Either way, Caesarism is going to be there to make sure the people adapt to these changes as suddenly not being able to buy a car or fill your shopping basket with lots of items like before is going to drive alot of people mad.
As for AGW, if I'm honest I think the changes won't be as fast as predicted. I'll doubt we'll see the Netherlands under water in 100 years if I'm honest. But what I think is going to happen is the climate is going to get warmer and this could lead to ecological implications for many countries, particularly in agriculture. Europe will get greener and be good for farming but winter will die out as we know it. Russia though will still have colder winters but better temperature for farming.
As for mass migration, if it continues, you end up with a Eurabised/Africanised Western Europe with the remaining natives fleeing into Eastern Europe and Russia. What happens then is basically a new version of the Middle East drama played out in Europe with Russia and EE as Israel and the once West as Palestine.
Basically a new century of war in Europe. So let's hope for the sake of the environment, world leaders can come up with concrete solutions on how to tackle this crisis in the long term.
I have read Toynbee and his analysis does seem to fit in with Spengler and his theory. Overall I think that what we are seeing is the return of Caesarism and Donald Trump is in essence the first step, as is Brexit. If I'm honest, I think after Trump and when Brexit is finished will be more demands from the general public to take a strong hand on policy making, particularly as the economy continues its slow spiral downward.
I already know that in Britain, the main opposition is now the right wing in terms of what I call 'dissident thinking'. Its something in between civic nationalism and basic alt right ideas, without the ethno-nationalist jargon thrown in. I see non-white right wingers siding with the white right wingers basically asking the same thing: End mass immigration, stop political correctness, bring back family values, stop aiding the third world, banish Islam, etc, etc.
Looking at the UKIP phenomenon where that party was able to heavily influence the mainstream Conservative Party into running the Brexit referendum in the first place, I fully expect under the FPTP system, new right wing parties start to win seats, pressure the mainstream to act and the society goes even further right wing as a result.
I think the vandalising of Churchill's statue and the Cenotaph just went too far for the Brits to stomach.
The end result though is more Caesarism for the UK. Europe is pretty easy, they'll just vote for the Identitarian parties that I predict will actually start to get mainstream powers this decade. The continent tends to do 'revolution' more than the Brits.
My overall thoughts on the end result tend to be a belief that easily tapped resources are going to start running out or hitting major peak extraction this century, bringing an end to the industrial age we have lived under. Less resources means less global travel, less production of consumer goods and more focus on local communities in order to survive.
I wouldn't be surprised if the global village experiment starts to die out later on this century with most people living lives similar to their ancestors. I predict a huge boom in farming as the main economy sometime down the road.
Either way, Caesarism is going to be there to make sure the people adapt to these changes as suddenly not being able to buy a car or fill your shopping basket with lots of items like before is going to drive alot of people mad.
As for AGW, if I'm honest I think the changes won't be as fast as predicted. I'll doubt we'll see the Netherlands under water in 100 years if I'm honest. But what I think is going to happen is the climate is going to get warmer and this could lead to ecological implications for many countries, particularly in agriculture. Europe will get greener and be good for farming but winter will die out as we know it. Russia though will still have colder winters but better temperature for farming.
As for mass migration, if it continues, you end up with a Eurabised/Africanised Western Europe with the remaining natives fleeing into Eastern Europe and Russia. What happens then is basically a new version of the Middle East drama played out in Europe with Russia and EE as Israel and the once West as Palestine.
Basically a new century of war in Europe. So let's hope for the sake of the environment, world leaders can come up with concrete solutions on how to tackle this crisis in the long term.