The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(06-28-2020, 04:25 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The Southern Confederates weren't traitors. The southern Confederates were Americans who lost the American Civil War, embraced American values and remained with the Union.

The Southern Confederates who lost the American Civil War were to a large part racists who soon enough instituted Jim Crow policies.  As you have embraced them as ‘Americans’ I assume you share their beliefs?

Between then and now, the US went through a large values change known as the Civil Rights Movement.  By embracing the post Confederate racist values, I assume you are rejecting the Civil Rights Movement and the legislation that resulted from it?

(06-28-2020, 04:25 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I've labelled you a Marxist and you've labelled yourself a Marxist and so has Dave and so has Bob. You are all guilty of being associated with Marxism at one time or another and not letting go of it entirely. Yes, there is still hope with China still being around leaching off global capitalism and American capitalism and contributing large sums of money to colleges who teach it for them. Nope, none of this means nothing to you and you can ignore and dismiss it as usual.

I’ve said many a time that Marx correctly identified the problem, but had a very poor solution.  If you are a revolutionary but do not embrace the checks and balances of the Enlightenment, you are apt to end up with a violent idealist in charge, such as Lenin, Stalin or Mao.  They each failed spectacularly and resulted in the broad rejection of Marxism.  I again state that many among the blue accept this, that they reject autocracy, violence, revolution and the concentration of power in the elite.  

Just curious, you are an advocate of violence.  Do you reject the elite, the division of wealth, the concentration of power?

I see China’s Communist Party as living on borrowed time.  If the CCP provides their people with enough material benefit to stave off the Enlightenment virtues they crave, the CCP will remain in power.  They cannot do this forever, though they are not on the brink yet.  Using violence to reject the will of the people is not a path that one can walk with impunity indefinitely.