The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(07-02-2020, 08:23 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(07-01-2020, 04:39 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(07-01-2020, 01:03 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I don't see a shift from values to no values as good myself. It's true, the old Democratic values aren't working like they should considering all the money that we've been pumping  in over the years. Yep. It's time to wait and watch as they're replaced by a mob that has no values.

No values?  Values which you can’t understand or are unwilling to acknowledge is more like it.

COVUS.  Use science.  Value life over dollars.  Acknowledge that while opening up is good for the economy, opening up before the curves are way down, before there is solid testing and tracing, is not good for the economy.  Address the problems, don’t ignore them.

Black Lives Matter:  Equality, justice.  Differentiate between the protesters and looters.  Support the former, arrest the latter.

Russian bounty for US Soldiers:  If you claim to be commander in chief, with it comes a responsibility to do what one can to protect lives put at risk.  Put concern for the country ahead of personal concerns.

Impeachment:  Put concern for the country ahead of personal concerns.  Do not use government function for personal gain.

Now, I don’t see any of the above as overly hard to understand.  If you are way deep into the unravelling mind set, if you put selfishness way before the common good, the new values may become strange and incomprehensible.  Perhaps they are so much so that you are unable to perceive them.  That does not say they do not exist, that we are not speaking of them perfectly clearly.  It is just that you don’t want to hear or acknowledge them.

In many ways S&H predicted it, that the unraveling would be a selfish time, the crisis heart would be a time of united effort for the whole.  It is just that many conservatives are unwilling to let go of the selfishness.  

Once again, I don't see the logic in replacing values with no values. Nope, nothing you wrote  was hard to understand as far as your personal values are concerned these days. I must say that your partisan liberal views tend to come through loud and clear,

You distinguish between views and values as if they are not the same thing.  I may express things a little differently than most blues, but we are coming from pretty much the same place.

I consider the S&H turnings as saying a lot about how values change over time.  Conservatives value what has always been and should be perpetuated.  Progressive have confronted new problems, and wish to change how we respond to them, to solve these problems.  You can ask the typical royalist, slaveowner, laissez faire businessman or isolationist how well clinging to the old values worked in their crises.  That is, if you can find one.  After the crisis heart, they became rather hard to find.

The new values exist.  We are perfectly clear in stating them.  Your ’no values’ statement is without merit.