The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(07-03-2020, 02:04 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(07-01-2020, 12:53 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(07-01-2020, 02:10 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: How many America blacks, whites, yellows, browns and reds have the same basic American values and rights as me today? I'm suggesting that a clash between Americans of all kinds and the Left-wing is inevitable at this point and once the cultural clash begins it's not going to stop until the Left-wing is destroyed. You are on the wrong side of history and seem to be deaf, dumb and blind too. So, I hope have fun trying to survive an ugly 4T.

We can't put up a statue of our World War II heroes either because the country was still legally segregated during World War II and we have Japanese people living here who might/could get upset or view them as racists. The time is coming for minorities to decide whether they prefer to be viewed as blacks, Hispanics, browns or whatever else forever and ever or whether they prefer to be viewed Americans become part of the country where none of that matters

You still do not define "American values and rights," which proves that you don't know what these are. Of course, we know you think we have a right to bear arms. If that's all you are concerned about, then you can go to the OK Corale and have your fun, and I don't care.

You refer to a cultural clash now too, but you do not define the cultures that are clashing.

One's ancestry still matters if one is still discriminated against on that basis, which is still the case. But slavery is not legal, and those who fought and were heroes in WWII were not fighting for slavery. They were not traitors. 

But you support venerating and memorializing traitors who set up a new country and made war on and invaded the United States in order protect slavery. That makes you complicit in their fight.

You are on the wrong side of history and seem to be deaf, dumb and blind too. So, I hope you have fun trying to survive an ugly 4T.

We have the right to bear arms and value our guns too. So, there's a good example of the American rights and values that I'm talking about that people like you don't seem to recognize or understand they're direct relationship to you as an American citizen these days. Oh that's right, you've already let go of them and embraced global citizenship and whatever values are imposed and rights eliminated by global institutions and foreign powers.  I'm concerned about all our rights as citizens and all our advancement as a nation today. I view today's Left as being a direct threat to both these days. Right now, the folks who are at greatest risk are the more conservative Democratic population of Americans who are being targeted and persecuted by those on your side right now. Like I said, your shitty mobs, leftist groups  and clueless/ powerless politicians better be really careful and start showing all of us something valuable about them that's  worth keeping or they're going to find themselves being lumped in with the mobs and leftist groups that we see targeting, terrorizing and bullying American people/voters that we know today. So, how many 2nd Amendment deniers among the Democratic are 2nd Amendment believers/ supporters today. How many knee jerk Democrats who went along for years are waking up and seeing the direct threat to them and their communities that we are seeing today. I'm much better prepared and more naturally suited to survive an ugly 4t. I've been openly communicating, showing you and proving to you that for many years now.

As far as the right to bear arms -- every Nazi in good standing was expected to keep and bear arms as a civic duty. Contrast the reality in the arch-conservative Britain of Margaret Thatcher, where there was no right to bear arms. That is two different styles of government on the political Right (and don't give me the malarkey about Nazis being 'socialists' in according to the stated name of their Party. Nazi Germany was a pure plutocracy to the extent that tycoons, executives, and big rural landowners were in good standing with the Hitler clique. Nazi Germany was a worker's Hell in which workers had no freedom to change jobs without the consent of their employers, in which strikes were illegal, and in which the compulsory unions were the sorts that exhorted workers to produce even more to the point of exhaustion under dangerous and demeaning conditions so that workers could deserve the benefits of the racist (which is how I translate völkisch) State. 

Eric is right -- you don't yet understand that many people who consider themselves fully American are no less American for believing something very different from what you think is American. 

I can give you no definition for what makes one an American except for being a citizen. People with birthright citizenship come from people of great difference in religion, culture, ethnicity (and mixtures of ethnicity), length of time since one's last immigrant ancestor came from elsewhere to America... and of course political values, occupation, and social class. Some fellow strung out on drugs can be as American as I am. Someone whose culture obviously comes from a country other than America (OK, I am nearly half German and Swiss and nearly half English, Welsh, and Scots-Irish) is as American as I am. 

As we approach the 244th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence we need reflect on what America is. As early as 1783 the infant United States of America had an area impressive by the standards of many of the empires of the past. If America is an Empire, then it is the Empire of Liberty, the society that unlike the other empires has offered the most opportunity and demanded the least conformity of people. As an example, if you live in certain parts of Texas and New Mexico it is very American to speak Spanish. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo establishes that people who were transferred by a change of border from Mexico to the United States were to be treated by law as if white. 

In 1865 the victorious Union  could enforce the Emancipation Proclamation even in the last part of the Confederacy to come back under Union control... and recent slaves and their descendants were to be recognized as Americans with the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness denied them while they were in bondage. Of course the political hacks of the former Confederacy did everything possible to ensure that freedmen and their descendants got to exercise as few of those rights as possible. That, almost all Americans recognize, was terribly wrong. I see no right that I have lost that ever depended upon the subjection of American blacks, especially in the South. To be sure, there are pathological racists just as American as I am who believe that dignity for black people is a danger to the "white race". (I have no children, but if I had a white daughter or granddaughter in a choice between marrying some good black man and some white meth fiend who is a loser in every possible way... better a biracial child in a solid family than some white kid who sees the police as the Big Blue Meanies for busting Mommy and Daddy for cooking and distributing meth).   

I am more concerned about the First Amendment because I love to express my opinions without fear of official abuse. The Second Amendment? It could be re-written to better delineate states' rights in determining who can have a gun and what sorts of guns, and for what purpose. I would re-write it with the anti-discrimination clauses that are the norm in Constitutional amendments. It would look much like the Eighteenth Amendment abolishing Prohibition (for example one would be prohibited from taking a firearm into another state in violation of that state's laws. I know sport hunters and I want them to act as if nothing happened.  

Want a real defense of your property?

     

This is a favorite among white South Africans... and it guards guns from theft. With a bit force of 800 pounds per square inch, the Boerboel is the sort of dog that you don't want as an enemy. It reminds crooks from the black majority of an animal part of their heritage as a menace:

  

The dog is even more aggressive than the above lioness, and can scare off lions. Dogs are typically better behaved than bears and Big Cats, but if someone does something truly stupid the dog can be similarly lethal to a bear or Big Cat... lions typically back off from humans by day because lions fear our guns. Boerbels do not back off from wayward humans at any time of day. Do crime in the presence of dogs, and discover what animal really is the top of the food chain in most of the human world. You do not want a dog, let alone a pack of dogs, as your enemy. Dogs can create the impression that human flesh is potentially on their menu.

This said, aside from wolves the animals most similar to large dogs in behavior might well be lions. (Small ones are closer analogues to domestic cats. Woe is it to a rat that encounters a rat terrier!)

Before you bring up the Nazis taking away 'gun rights' from Jews... the Nazis prohibited Jews from owning dogs. The SS and Gestapo had no desire to have some dog ripping the precious flesh of an enforcer of the 'racial' policies of the völkisch state.    

Eight hundred pounds of bite force per square inch is a good reason to choose a non-criminal way of life. 

... by the way... if there are any marauding mobs out there, their political values are the least of their menace.