The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(07-05-2020, 10:00 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(07-05-2020, 09:34 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(07-05-2020, 08:55 PM)TnT Wrote: Well, if the pictures of the beer-gut wanna-bes that showed up at Gettysburg this weekend, having been gulled by the very cesspool of information that they subscribe to, have any credibility, I guess I'm not too worried about any "civil war" that these guys foment.

Just hanging around here, you have to wade through information and disinformation about obsessions with violence, astrology, 'xenophobia' and dogs.  Is there a law that partisans can't have weird hobbies and beliefs too? 

I don't know, you'll have to ask yourself the same question. I'll give you credit for trying to relate and trying to see things our way but you have shown me many times that you tend to resort or regress back to partisan ways.

I of course did ask the same question.  I have an interest in partisan history, but who doesn’t who frequents this site?  I have an interest in role playing, and I’ll reference it on occasion, but I don’t rail against people who believe in more conventional media, or center arguments on it.  I do use my interest in other theories.  I will fold in principles from civilizations, ages and evolutionary biology, not stick with pure turnings.  Still, using principles other than turnings to advance one view of history seems fair game.  One shouldn’t totally ignore what the main line historians say in following one’s amateur theory.

But accusing people  of  resorting or regressing back to partisan ways goes both ways.  Hanging on to the old values in a crisis heart should give one pause.  The royalists, slaveowners, laissez faire businessmen and isolationists were rather wiped out in previous crisis hearts.  The conservative ways of staying the same when the culture has moved on have been rather decisively crushed.  

The basic lesson of COVUS involves incorporating reality and science into one’s political position as opposed to creating fantasies to justify small government and inaction.  The basic lesson of Black Lives Matter is no longer tolerating the racist violence and  inequality that still exists in modern US culture.  These are among the two basic issues that we have been debating over the length of the unraveling.  It is not hard to anticipate that they will trigger a solid conversion to the new values, and that holders and champions of the old values will find themselves on the outside looking in.  It is a bad time to ignore problems and practice racism.  It will forever after be a bad time to ignore problems and practice racism.

There are aspects of the old values that are worth preserving.  I would accept that certain principles of the new values are looking to triumph, and concentrate on that which should be preserved.  We are going to dwell more on reality.  We are going to become more equal.  However, we do need law and order to complement the drive for equality.  We do need financial efficiency in addressing how we resolve certain things which must be resolved.  

What is not needed is the drive to divide, the drive towards violence.  The crisis will be resolved.  Picture yourself attempting to control the steamroller rather than to fight it.  Otherwise, you are likely to end up pretty flat.