The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Eric the Green]

(07-07-2020, 09:38 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(07-07-2020, 05:26 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: "you are Eric" No, Classic Xer is not Eric! lol

I don't have much hope of reaching the Classic Xers and other trumpfiends. But, some people may listen to somebody, sometimes. It is the blue side that has the truth, but nothing is absolute except God. And even God manifests as all of us beings who are not.

In my youth I had a double worldview, one that chased between the engineer and the worshiper.  It came down to how the occult worked.  At one time I was chasing a theory that gods evolved, were competitive, competed for followers.  A god gave a minimum benefit in exchange for worship, emotion and belief.  At another time that shifted to your being more likely to observe the more emotional future.  As emotion increased, so did your metabolism, so did the number of many worlds realities generated, which changed the probability of observing something.

I guess one of the more simple problems with the usual religious or spiritual god was an old observation.  Omnipotent, omniscient or benevolent.  Pick two.  Going with all three was not consistent with the observed reality.

And yet, you allow your spirituality to alter how you perceive the world.  I don’t.  Once in a great while such as this post I will get a bit more detailed than ’devout agnostic’, but seriously changing another’s religious beliefs is about as likely as changing someone from blue to red or red to blue.

Not everyone shares your perception of God.  It would be more accurate to say there are as many perceptions as there are religions.  And yet, if your world view and values are religious or spiritual, you will alter the way you look at things to be consistent with your religious or spiritual understanding, or lack thereof.

Still, if we disagree on how we get there, we broadly agree on where we get.

That's good. The point of my reply is that you implied that I think my views are absolute, but I don't really think my views could be absolutes. There is only one absolute, and that is God. So the point is, the absolute is something far greater than little ol me. St. Anselm defined God as the greatest that can be conceived. It seems a fair definition. Perceptions and knowledge of God varies according to our experience and knowledge. 

I can't change someone's religious or ideological beliefs with words on a computer screen, or by most any method. It is up to each of us how curious we are about things and what life teaches us, and whether we can shift our views or even our behavior in accordance with our discoveries and experience regarding the divine. It's not an easy path for anyone. 

In my case I was fortunate at least that my curiosity became strong at just the same time as a new generation and culture was in an explorative mood during an early Awakening. I thank my lucky stars for that, and it became literally true for me when I discovered how the planets corresponded to my experience and the culture's simultaneous experience as well, predicting what the correspondence would be before looking it up and finding it there on the exact day I thought. Many people have been curious, or not so curious, to find out what they can about the spirit and the world, as their own needs, times and inclinations determine. There seems always more to discover and unfold. One of my musician friends wrote to explain his album, "through our Natural Wonder, we are constantly discovering ourselves"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzm1mN4gN7E