The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Classic-Xer]

(07-13-2020, 08:55 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(07-13-2020, 07:29 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(07-12-2020, 09:32 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(07-11-2020, 03:36 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(07-10-2020, 10:20 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: The game is already up. Our political system clicks its heels and follows a really good President; it basically ignores that President when he goes bad. As a basic reality the President has few real powers that he cannot get without support of Congress.

Not confident that the click heels and follow part is true anymore.  The Republicans went pretty much into full obstruction mode with Obama.  These days there is not nearly enough heel clicking going on.  Too much partisanship.

Third-turning behavior characteristic of the Degeneracy. Republicans and their constituencies were still trying to live in the Third Turning and came close to succeeding in sticking us with a permanent 3T. The Right has been for little more than class privilege irrespective of the human cost for about forty years. Whether Donald Trump is grossly unfit for the task (in which case he would have a successor in the Hard Right who better knows and uses the Dictator Playbook... the first page of which says "co-opt, marginalize, or outlaw the opposition"... which Trump did not do). In that scenario we have one ineffective term of Joe Biden followed by someone with the Trump ideology but not the erratic behavior.

Here's a hope for the best -- that Donald Trump is the last stage of an era of exaggerated individualism on economics and mindlessness in public culture.

Where do you think we should be this early in the 4T? What did America do as most of old Europe collapsed went haywire? Did America jump on the bandwagon and side early or watch as Europe unraveled and waited to see the victor? This may be hard to understand or grasp but Democratic controlled America is in damn near the same position as Europe right now and America is watching and waiting to see the victor as its shoring up itself and preparing for an ugly 4T. Does America have the right to become Imperialist during times of war with imperialist nations or imperialist forces within? Yes we do. Does America have the right to counter violence with violence? Yes we do. Does America have the right to punish business's that ignore American law and impose their own law? Yes we do. Does America have the right to trash and disable Amazon vans and make it impossible for Amazon to do business outside blue areas like the liberals groups were free to do with our police vehicles and police building and the stores and shops of working people and all our statues and monuments. So, how many racist fucks that aren't white do you have on your side these days that have taken the place of the whites that America forced your race driven party to let go during the 60's? So, where are we at now. Are you clinging to 3T or are you ready for 4t like the other side?  I'm willing to hand the Democratic party to the cancel culture on a silver plate and let them do as they please with them for now.

I don't know if I posted this rant of mine here, but it's as good as any retort to Classic's one here.

I wrote on FB: "Looking at the world situation we see dictators and ignorant neo liberals fomenting a rise of fascism and anti democracy around the world. Bolsonaro, Morrison, Johnson, Erdogan, Putin, Kim Jung Un, Xi Jinping, Assad, Sisi, bin Salman, Duda, Orban, Modi, Duterte, Maduro, tons of bad outrageous leaders. But, and this is the important point, unlike in the 30s, the USA is not and would not be a leader for freedom and democracy in this dark age. Because it too is led by an ignorant, stupid tyrant. Unless we get rid of him, the world will careen further toward tyranny and chaos and environmental disaster as well as pandemics."

The electoral disaster in Poland and an appearance by Bob Geldoff on the German news channel prompted me to write further: "Bob Geldoff spoke out today remembering the Live Aid world concert that raised donations to help the African famine. One the the most legendary concerts ever, it got the attention of world leaders. Geldoff becried the fact that this could not happen today. Not sparing insults, he said Putin, Trump and Johnson and leaders like them could never be approached for any action to help humanity.

We are adrift, and the most irritating thing is that most of the atrocious tyrants I mentioned above were voted in by the people, often by narrow margins. The people are voting to put themselves into tyranny! I say, the EU should EXPEL AND THROW OUT Poland and Hungary! We should withdraw our troops, and expel them from NATO! These people are voting for far right anti-semitic, and-German, anti-Arab racists, homophobes and nationalists opposed to human rights. Just today, Duda was re-elected by 51-48% over a liberal committed to restoring them. What an outrage. And we did the same thing in the USA. You mean to tell me that those still permitted to vote in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania didn't know about the electoral college? We did it to ourselves! So, did Poland, Hungary, Turkey, India, Egypt, Brazil, Australia, the UK, The Phillipines and countless others. Neo-liberals and racists! I hope this is the darkness before the dawn as Saturn, Jupiter and Pluto move from Capricorn into Aquarius and Neptune reaches the late degrees of Pisces, a place of resurrection, the degrees Saturn was in in the mid-60s and when the Bastille fell."

I don't see a dictator. I see an American President being hampered by a bunch of petty liberal dictators. You're right, America can't function with a bunch of petty liberal dictators hampering it and undermining its authority. So, what do you think is going to happen to all those petty dictators of yours when the gloves come off and the country takes a necessary step backwards to what we refer to as the good Wild West? A time when liberal smack or bullshit ended with an idiot peering down the gun barrel of a skeptic who is more interested in learning the truth. Dictators don't often have honorable deaths?

I dunno, the French Revolution seemed pretty rough and uncivilized compared to the American Revolution. You'd be better off by leaving the USA than by starting a war with 60 some million citizens of the USA. We won't be fighting over slavery this time because that issue has already resolved. We'll be fighting to keep America and you're going to loose big time. Hopefully the political defeat will be enough to teach but I doubt it at this point. You better be careful about the way that you treat American groups these days. We have everything that your liberal groups have available to them today. The way I see it, the Grey Badger was your last hope for peace or last heroic advocate for peace and she gave up on you guys and left along time ago. So, here we are together as we're entering the 4T. You don't realize this but your dealing with forces of nature and the country is dividing along the lines associated with nature and mankind.