The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(07-15-2020, 01:45 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(07-15-2020, 12:54 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(07-15-2020, 03:28 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Hmm…. In general, it is the Republican Party who has chased voter suppression and gerrymandering to maintain their power.  I don’t see you or David as being big movers and shakers in that department, but it is the establishment Republicans who put their own power over the will of the people.  This is more a pursuit of power than hate.  I wouldn't say the Republican establishment hates democracy, but they think it is a nuisance that gets in the way of their pursuit of power.

The Republicans do have a potentially violent force in being in the militias, but they have always accepted election results and seem to be threatening force only if an attempt is made to violate the Second Amendment.  The violent racist police continuing Jim Crow doctrine has attracted the Boogaloo Bois and other violent responses by the blacks.  This is a real element of the spiral of violence.  I don’t see anyone here as advocating the lawless use of violence, but some seem to endorse the racial violence of the police, generally against the American principle of valuing life and equality.  Jim Crow is an idea whose time is past, as has been made clear by the recent protests, and Republican establishment opposition has been quite clear.

Women’s ability to choose and the separation of church and state can be viewed in different ways.  Ironically, the Republicans want to impose their convictions on health care on all, and the Democrats on separation of church and state.

Dude, the systemic racism ploy has little to no face value these days. The racist police force ploy has little to no face value either these days.

George Floyd is a counter-example to you.

Quote:We see too many minority faces wearing police uniforms and government positions and higher office for either them to be viewed as true these days. The mayor of Chicago is black. The mayor of St Paul is black. The police chief of Minneapolis is black. The Minneapolis police force has people of all races working for it these days. Hint, two of the four cops involved in the George Floyd incident were minority police officers.

One of those is an Asian-American, and some of the worst anti-black racism I have ever heard comes from Asian-Americans, especially Koreans. I don't know what that is... the Koreans often have near-white skins? OK, I'm white (German, English, Swiss, Welsh, Scots-Irish)... my skin color would fit in well in Korea. Much else wouldn't.  

Quote:The last President was black for Christ sake's.

...and the current President has undone all the good that a very good President has done except for resolute support for Obergfell v. Hodges. Even the Obama recovery is at severe risk under the bumbling of Donald Trump. But Trump is a businessman?

Quote:Personally speaking, I hope you find yourself needing a cop and not having one available because what I've seen coming from you tells us that you don't value or appreciate them or deserve to have them when you need them these days. You and your politics  are doing/causing  a lot of damage right now that you and others don't seem to realize or care much about these days. So, how does an American take down/out/level  a self absorbed, a self serving partisan liberal prick or (profanity excised) without misbehaving or upsetting someone or getting into trouble with liberal moderators or sensors these days? 

I can't speak for Bob on that, but in my experience the cops don't ask the politics about a batterer or his spouse in a domestic disturbance. That I voted for the current sheriff won't matter if I should drive drunk (not that I will). There is no partisan relationship to overall support for the police when they do the job right. Nobody has any justification for supporting police brutality.

Quote:Yep. Jim Crow ended almost 60 years but you're still acting like it's alive and well and still going on strong these days.

The only advantage that I can see in being identifiably black (including 'biracial') is sex... if a man. There are lots of good black women out there that one can get away with dating more easily if one is black than if one is white because of social stigma. On the other side, there are subcultures of white women who want black men and... the less said, the better. I have no desire to spread any ethnic stereotypes.  

Quote:You are also still denying that Marxism is more active and more alive and a much greater influence and more of a threat to America and the American way of life than the remnants of the bygone era of Jim Crow.

There still is a Communist Party of the United States of America, and it seems to have moderated many of its stands. (You may believe or reject its claims to such). But note well that the difference between some of our reactionaries such as the John Birch Society (yes, it still exists, and it is as crazy as ever) is that the ultra-reactionaries endorse the inequality, hierarchy, and exploitation that Marxists see indelibly wrong in capitalism.  Most people who believe in capitalism to any extent want to make capitalism more human... and considering what most of us think of capitalism (it's good for making things, but not adequate for social justice) most of those you consider on the Left would like a social-market system or at least Capitalism with a Human Face as an alternative to the plutocracy that we now endure.   

Quote:Why does the city of Chicago have a clueless left wing political activist or black sugar mommy for its mayor these days?  Liberal sugar mommy's only know how to buy votes and please liberal constituents with government funding and other free stuff associated with government funding and going along with whatever liberal interest groups want, believes the country must  focus on and address like climate change and so forth.

So what does the Hard Right have to offer? Work harder, work longer, for less, and pay monopolized prices and abandon all dreams of any economic security so that you can have pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die? 

I get food aid related to my disability, and I know exactly where the money goes. Most of it ends up at Meijer, Wal*Mart, or a bit less often Kroger, Aldi, or Spartan-Nash.  What I get as disability goes to my brother to partially offset living costs, an auto insurance company, Discover (an old credit-card bill that I have found hard to shake), or gas stations. Right back into the US economy.

I( did get the stimulus check, but it looks as it is going to end up paying medical bills that Medicaid botched.

Poverty in the most materialist, plutocratic society on Earth is miserable. Let's put it this way -- if the GOP wins the upcoming election I might consider a fatal heart attack or stroke a blessing. I don't expect life to be easy, but I certainly don't believe that we need a grim, dreary, joyless world just to ensure that a small and entrenched elite get everything that it wants irrespective of the human cost. Still, in a plutocracy -- he who owns the gold makes the rules. Just ask the remaining Koch brother.

PB, you're different, you have a medical disability that limits/restricts your abilities and choices for work at this point.