The cancer infecting the political Left

[Classic-Xer]

(07-25-2020, 06:10 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(07-25-2020, 05:11 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Who made you God? Do you really have the power to refute me or Micky ? Yes. The demographic's may seem to favor the Left at the moment democratically speaking. I don't think you are aware of how many minorities have advanced beyond race and are currently American believers themselves. Hint: Democracy isn't much of a factor during times of Civil War and as far as war goes, the American right has a significant advantage over the Left. You must be aware that the Left controls larger cities that were mainly middle class at one time but no longer today.

It is kind of hard to criticize or advocate for the American believer if you don’t define the American believer,

I suspect that you are Tea Party leaning, that you are not therefore advocating for the elites.

I note that you do not go on racist rants, but you project a belief that blacks leech excessively on the government.  This is sort of borderline racist in that you have a negative stereotype of blacks.  I kind of believe there are some that fit this stereotype, and that you fill a niche where you run into these people a lot.  It is understandable that you have fallen into this habit and belief.

Me, working as a software engineer, I did not commonly run into such.  I have run into fellow engineers, which if anything have had to overcome a little prejudice and adversity, and are the stronger for overcoming it.  I have run into a few experienced military guys who spent some of their military careers in procurement.  Coming into civilian life, they got jobs on the other side, selling to the military, running projects from the systems side, which for me involved their acquiring the requirements that the software has to meet.  Thus, my idea of the typical black guy is quite different from your stereotype.  Watching you advocate the ghetto ethic as applicable to all blacks is painful.

But I could agree that welfare (if there is no permanent disability) should be a temporary effort to get you on your feet.  It should not be a permanent way of life.

On violence, the active conflict is Trumps no insignia people against the Boogaloo Bois.  Those attempting peaceful protest and wishing to defuse the violence ought to go after those few that are shooting fireworks into federal buildings.  They should make citizens arrests and hand them over to the authorities.  Right now, the shared common objective of the Boogaloo Bois and the Trump feds is to instigate violence.  They have found one way to do it.  The best way for the protests to get rid of Trump’s feds is to give them a little help in enforcing the law rather than letting the feds escalate it into general violence against everybody.  A little of this has been done already, but it has got to become a habit.

But I don’t see your ‘americans’ as being engaged beyond selfishness.  They might form neighborhood vigilante groups.  They might as militias be ready to defend the Second Amendment.  They are not rejecting the results of legitimate elections.  They are not invading blue neighborhoods and trying to change culture by force.  They have not been a significant participant, something to be worried about.

As far as I can tell, other than forming neighborhood vigilante groups, you are not advocating the violence.  Oh, you talk tough.  You are clearly obsessed by the abstract idea of it.  You have not taken it beyond talk.

The odd thing out is Trump.  In escalating violence, personal corruption, ignoring the virus and believing himself above the law, I read him as quite deserving of repudiation.  Most blues do.  Are you in favor of these things?  Are you still in favor of Trump?

The American believes in America (the American people) through thick (good times) and thin (bad times) and believes in the American flag that represents American values and the American Constitution that governs over it and represents the Law of The Land. It's pretty simple. The lady on Fox expressed her belief in herself and belief in fellow Americans. Who/what is escalating the violence? Who is making money off the escalation of violence and who is capitulating right now? Well, the professional sports teams with billion dollar investments located in or near future war zones and blue states with significant investments in them as well seem to be paying out or sitting on their hands and doing nothing about those who are in their cities causing all the trouble.

Who is selfish? The store owner who invested in themselves and makes their living selling food or the employee who makes their living serving food or processing food or the COVID19 worrier who places themselves above them in an importance? Who is selfish? The person who believes society should/has an obligation to fund them or the person with financial responsibilities of their own who disagrees and places their obligations above them or the person who believes funding is an individual responsibility but is forced to along with funding them because liberal Democrats view them as selfish? You accuse me of selfishness as I'm seeing your obvious selfishness playing out so to speak. In short, the Democrats owe you something but I don't owe you shit at this point. You live in portion of the country that has historical significance or value placed on it that the West Coast doesn't have so if I were to have to choose between one or the other, you're in luck so to speak because we can't afford to support both selfish blue regions.

As far as Trump, Trump inherited a Democratic mess caused by political party addicted to spending American money and the power a clueless but loyal base of Americans gave them for a few generations to many in my opinion. I don't blame the COVID19 crisis or the government induced economic crisis on him. We all know where it came from and we all know China is responsible for its spread. You are about as locked as my rank and file Democratic father in law was before he lost his mind and was forced to stop voting. Personally, I'd rather have values than no values. I'd rather have a country than no country. I'd rather have law and order than anarchy or feudalism at this point. I don't see a need for a weak liberal leader either and I don't feel a need or desire to be nice and patch things up with the radical Left either.