The cancer infecting the political Left

[Bob Butler 54]

(07-25-2020, 07:25 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Who is selfish? The store owner who invested in themselves and makes their living selling food or the employee who makes their living serving food or processing food or the COVID19 worrier who places themselves above them in an importance?

If you really believed in that, you would be against Trump.  He does not believe in the Constitution or rule of law.  He instead is into selfishness.  You seem to be his sort of guy.  Anyone can wave the flag.  As often as not, the flag waver isn’t worthy of the flag he is waving.  He is really after something.

(07-25-2020, 07:25 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Who is selfish? The person who believes society should/has an obligation to fund them or the person with financial responsibilities of their own who disagrees and places their obligations above them or the person who believes funding is an individual responsibility but is forced to along with funding them because liberal Democrats view them as selfish? You accuse me of selfishness as I'm seeing your obvious selfishness. In short, the Democrats owe you something but I don't owe you shit at this point. You live in portion of the country that has historical significance or value placed on it that the West Coast doesn't have so if I were to have to choose between one or the other, you're in luck so to speak because we can't afford to support both selfish blue regions.

I am all with the essential workers, the doctors, the nurses, the grocery retailers, etc…. Now more than ever we need them.  But they have to be responsible.  The grocery retailer who does not wear a mask for her own comfort, who does not clean her store, who goes short on her work selfishly and puts others at a deadly risk is no hero.

I also believe in the general principle of insurance.  For years I had health care as a benefit of my job and never had to use it.  The gross big deal was spraining my knee playing ultimate frisbee and limping around on crutches for a while.  Recently I had the brain tumor and became handicapped.  I didn’t whine in my early working years, and I don’t whine now.  In both cases, I had made sure I had coverage and the coverage came through.

I don’t see that as selfishness.  I see insurance or some sort of coverage tor problems as a feature, not a bug.  If someone believes in individual responsibility and wants to pay for his own accidents or illness, that might be acceptable, but if so he shouldn’t go whining and complaining if he stumbles into a hardship.  You can’t fail to pay into the system then expect that system to save you.  

The horror story is the guy who has no insurance and whose child coms up with some expensive condition.  He winds up bankrupt, loosing everything.  A person forced into taking such a risk is not fine and dandy to me.

Government has a problem in being expected to be responsible but at the same time giving no one the option of whether or not to pay for that assurance.  I know the UN declaration of human rights includes health care as one of those rights, but that is not so in the US.

Additionally, all men are created equal.  I don’t see California above Massachusetts or some random rural state.  That is the sort of way you think.  And you know what state is the biggest agricultural producer?  California.