The cancer infecting the political Left

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(07-29-2020, 10:43 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(07-29-2020, 09:17 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(07-29-2020, 07:05 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(07-29-2020, 01:22 AM)Einzige Wrote: Eh? The vast majority of Democratic voters, even of Democratic activists, are basically nonideological, like the overwhelming majority of Americans.

I would say you don't understand their ideology, not that they don't have them.  In order to defend your old ideology, you have to deny theirs exist.  You cannot go head to head.

I mention my arrow of progress values:  democracy, human rights, and equality.  Granted, they are working practical details no not abstract philosophy.  They are in the real world.  Still, there is no doubt they are applying ideals.

In one regard, most Americans don't really have ideologies. It's not an aversion to the idea of ideology so much as the lack of awareness needed to form one.  Most Americans are fully content to live their lives in an oblivious fog until something comes along to disrupt it.  I'm not sure that the response qualifies as ideology. 

We here are not unique in actually having strong abstract beliefs, but we are rather rare.

Have you watched the news lately?  Have you noted the Black Lives Matter protests?  A bunch of people favoring equality?  Have you noted the people not wearing masks, speaking of rights and freedom?

People may not define their motivations as ideological.  They may see their actions as practical.  It is still ideological behavior in my book.  We may have different ideas of how the word ought to be defined, but you'd have to be blind to not notice their behavior.

Black Lives Matter is a liberal collective of sorts that's goals are determined by a majority. Have you noticed that there are thousands of them out their breaking the laws pertaining to allowable crowd size and social distancing and mask wearing and tolerating the presence of  groups of violent and destructive people as Americans are being forced to live with all the restrictions placed on their business's, their jobs, their churches, their personal lives and so forth, Dude, the American people can't even bury its dead or get married and so forth as Black Lives Matter does what? You don't see the American back lash that building up across the country right now. Fox news isn't talking to me right now. Fox news us talking to a new audience right now. Hint: A center left audience who I assume are letting go of CNN and MSNBC and the National news outlets.