The cancer infecting the political Left

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(08-07-2020, 08:31 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-07-2020, 05:46 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-07-2020, 05:34 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-07-2020, 04:53 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-07-2020, 04:32 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: As I've mentioned before, I view the Democratic side as still being the more racist/ race based side these days. You can't blame me for going by what I see and hear vs going by what you or the liberal media say or seem to believe themselves either. I doubt Oprah or the Obama's or will be able to convince more intelligent Americans that their race prevented them from achieving their place in the world. Dude, it's so stupid it's comical/border line sicking to watch  at this point.

Which is why the Democrats support Black Lives Matter, an organization that believes black lives matter?  If that is caring about race, I care about race too.  I know you have a wierd idea about reverse racism, but it is so absurd that like much stuff out of extremist partisans it can be pretty much ignored.

I think it's pretty clear that Black Lives Matter doesn't care as much about the lives of black people as its name suggests. I don't care if you keep clinging to it and continue praising it and supporting it and not questioning its political  motives and so forth.

Is there a need to question 400 years of slavery, murder and oppression?

Sure, among the protestors are others with other motivations, including the Boogaloos Bois who want like Trump to instigate violence and the looters who are taking the opposition for personal gain.  These both should have to face opposition from the law.

But your positions are one of a single extremist that don't even seem to be shared among the reds.  How can I say to what extremes you will go before you check your crazy beliefs against reality?  It seems pretty unlikely from here.  You are wedded to your beliefs no matter how hard reality hits you on the head with a sledgehammer.

I'm not questioning it, denying it or trying to erase it or trying to capitalize off it or make liberal amends by paying them off or trying to win elections by continuing to use it either. Can you say the same these days? I think its pretty clear that I'm not deeply into minority based politics as you and your WHITE liberal pals these days. Yep. I'm pretty much wedded to my beliefs and I don't take your beliefs into account or place them above my own at this point. I can pretty much guarantee that whatever reality you hit us with, we'll  respond by hitting  you with a reality that's much worse.

Alertness to the consequences of racist practice in the past is not racism. The different minority groups in America are themselves different in their cultures and in their economic interests as they are from white people -- sometimes more.  Anyone with a conscience sees much wrong in the grossly-unequal treatment of black suspects by law enforcement. Anyone with a conscience recognize that blacks  have faced pointless disadvantages of hiring, education, and lending when the American Dream was being defined in the last 1T.  

The danger is not in a government paying attention to the grievances and aspirations of minority groups; the danger is tribalism. Tribal politics is much more common among white groups that themselves are at odds. 

There are still white Americans who identify with the Confederacy. its personalities, its symbols, and even its ideology. This is a minority position even among white people. Paradoxically the connection to the Confederacy is more recent than the immediate aftermath of the Civil War; it dates from about fifty years later. That is when the Confederate statues were largely erected, and paradoxically after the Confederate veterans who might have thought such problematic for turning young and often poor men into cannon fodder to defend the Peculiar Institution against Emancipation. 

So what was going on in 1915? 

  

and this:



Cross-burning was introduced by the second (1915) Ku Klux Klan, an organization that would influence European fascist groups (including the Nazis) who would wage war against the United States. 

It may be anachronistic to call the 1915 KKK "fascist pigs"... but not by much. Mussolini was still a socialist who became a fire-breathing militarist a few years later when the 1915 Klan emerged. A heritage of resentment of the results of a prior war, a division of the world into advantaged people and pariahs ("us and them"), the quest for the recovery of lost 'greatness", easy acceptance of violence,  rejection of rational thought, and exaggerated nationalism mark the Klan as those characteristics much as those traits mark fascism. 

I have no obligation to understand this sort of racism -- including what seems barely under your surface.