The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Classic-Xer]

(08-12-2020, 10:52 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-12-2020, 09:34 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-12-2020, 03:49 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-12-2020, 03:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: This election is going to symbolize a parting of ways and result in a massive parting of ways between values and no values. This is going to boil down to America's choice or the Liberal's choice and your the poor person with the mental handicap who doesn't understand that or realize it which I do feel sorry about but know that I can't do anything about at this point.

First, just because you refuse to recognize or acknowledge the blue values doesn't mean they don't exist.  I don't know how many times I have to repeat democracy, equality and human rights before it sinks into your thick skull.

Also, Trump has given the blues a large gift.  He stands opposite so many American values that there is a big swing blue vote for at least one election.  The Tea Party essentially guaranteed no establishment candidate was going to win the various primaries in 2016.  The anti establishment Tea Party voters latched onto Trump, and decided to believe his promises.  As a result you get at least one election where in order to preserve the traditional US values you have to go blue.

I know you are ideologically blind enough not to see the obvious, but you may have to after November 3rd.

One question is will it last longer than one election.  If Trump and the elitist and racist elements of the Republican Party have declared themselves, can the Republican base find someone else in a relatively short time.  I kind of doubt it.  That assumed the Democrats won't shoot themselves in the foot.  Given their history, that is quite an assumption.  Recently, only Palin and Trump have been able to collect the support of the Tea Party base.  Trump has forced the Republican Establishment to bind themselves to him or he would sic the by now Trump base on them.  It may be a real enough threat to take them all down.

I am left with two questions.  I think the Republican Voters Against Trump,  Lincoln Project,  VoteVets have left room enough for a respectable conservative movement to reemerge.  On the other hand, the Tea Party that latched onto Palin and Trump could latch onto someone else.  That is a conservative battle.  I will be rooting for the respectable conservatives, but the old Trump base could remain potent and lock itself onto some clown.

And the other question is whether the blue agenda will work satisfactorily enough to last beyond the one election.  Sure, they can undo a lot of what Trump has done, reestablish the Constitution, make a dent in racism, and fight COVID effectively, but can they push the rest of the blue agenda without losing a good part of their one time voters.  

When Nixon resigned and Ford pardoned him you would think the Democrats would be sitting pretty.  Instead, we shortly after got Reagan.  The Democrats are capable of shooting themselves in the foot.  We will see how they do.

The Republicans and Democrats are both capable of shooting themselves in the foot. The Republican party lost the House because they shot themselves in the foot and failed to deliver on lowering healthcare costs for a portion of its base. The Democratic party has the luxury of being able to shoot itself and remain in office because it has a base that is reliant on it to provide them all kinds of stuff associated with education and social programs directly related to their lives. Fortunately, the bulk of it is related to the areas that we are watching as they're beginning to show obvious signs of a major social breakdown and obvious signs of a government system that's financially breaking down as well.

Breaking down because of your side's reckless military spending without taxation to pay for it, and now because of your feckless leader's failure to control a virus.

Today's young people are less supported in their education than any generation before them, as they drown in student debt and have to pay higher costs and get less support than their parents and grandparents got. And meanwhile racist white parents flee the public schools and don't support them, so that your privatized education system can brainwash them with religious propaganda, and meanwhile non-whites don't get the education which they and everyone are entitled to if we are ever again to have a free society. Restricting education to the privileged few as you propose here will just mean a society whose rights and benefits are restricted to that privileged few. That's why the good American Thomas Jefferson proposed free public education for all and Horace Mann established it. But denying it to people, as you imply above, fits in with your side's goal of an ignorant voting public.

There is almost no welfare anymore, since Gingrich took it away, so the only "social programs" you could possibly be referring to are Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. These are programs which are either paid for by their recipients, with a surplus to spare which is given to your military friends, or programs which help the less fortunate who get sick. But although recovering from sickness is related to our lives, it is only a benefit that we should all have just in case we need it since your capitalist private health care system does not provide it.

How would you control a new virus in a free country without locking down the entire country for several month? We are talking about a bug that already has proven that it most likely won't kill you. If there are no welfare people than why do we see and talk to so many welfare people today. Dude, you won't find very many communities that don't have them these days. The vast majority are single moms with kids who only work part time jobs.