The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(08-18-2020, 01:03 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-17-2020, 11:00 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: That is the only "American value" that you uphold, and it is the most outdated. It has not the slightest relationship to our freedom. The Second Amendment should be repealed. Then we might have some sensible gun regulation. Some will still be able to keep some of their guns. But, it won't happen in our time. Meanwhile, we should remember that millions of young people came out to support the kids in Parkland FL whose friends were murdered by your gun values. Some regulations can be passed soon, and probably will be under Democratic rule, if it happens. No doubt your side will be "up in arms" about it. It will be your side that initiates conflict under Joe Biden, and your side that gets crushed under him. Under Tom Cotton after 2024, your side will be able to crush our secessions. It will be your side that decides whether to let us go. Then we'll have our civil war, or not; it appears.

But just like some observers of the generations and turnings cycle say that the civil war saeculum lasted until at least 1868, so the Left will likely come back again in 2028 and take charge again under a true leader. It will seem like an extended 4T. Neptune will still be in warlike and activist Aries, as it was then. Mikebert and I may still be discussing whether the 4T has ended, and many of us will contribute to that new thread. Somehow if the rump trump USA becomes sane again, it will be reunited with the blue tides. These dangerous times are not so far ahead. Already this forum has lasted for 23 years. It seems like yesterday to me.

As I've told you many times, I value all of our Constitutional rights (yours included). As far as the Second Amendment and our staunch defense of it, it's the one that the Left has been trying to remove/eliminate/take away from Americans for many years. I would be interested to see if Biden or Harris took/take their Constitutional oaths seriously or not and attempt to break a social contract that has withstood the tests of time and has remained in place for 244 years. Dude, I think your crazy/nuts to place your rights in the hands of a government that you gave the power to remove as it pleases myself. It sounds silly myself but most of what you say and want to see happen sounds silly.

I have to say, I have been watching the Democrats mainly talking to heir own supporters this evening. I must say, if I was a Progressive/Democrat, I would be depressed after watching and listening to them and preparing to jump off a bridge or revolt if Trump wins.

Privately-owned firearms are not quite as solid a defense of human rights as you claim. Thatcher's UK had no gun rights, and looks like a conservative paradise. The Soviet Union supposedly had gun control, but it was easy to get firearms if one was on good terms with the Communist Party. The Third Reich was awash in privately-held firearms, as every Nazi in good standing was expected to have one. 

Gee, those firearms in Nazi Germany certainly protected the Satan-granted right to be a Nazi after the British, French, and Americans took over their sectors of Germany and Austria,  didn't they?

Far more important is freedom of speech, the media, and of religious practice, the absence of which leaves abundantly cleared what Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and China are. Far more important is a judicial system that allows an objective weighing of evidence and precludes confessions wriong out in torture. 

I would reduce gun rights to hunting weapons only for people not in the police or military, except for exemptions for people who live in the presence of dangerous wild animals such as bears, cougars, and moose.