The Partisan Divide on Issues

[Bob Butler 54]

(08-21-2020, 03:51 PM)CH86 Wrote: Sorry boomer but the progressive/conservative alliance against liberals and sjws will continue to slowly come into existence; and this process will now accelerate now the convention has run its course. Pro-Trump Red Americans want our factories and food production and tech production capacity to be back in America, as do we "bernie"/Tulsi/Yang supporters. By force-feeding Biden and Kamala and letting the radical lunatic KHive to run wild through the democratic party politcal halls as well as through the streets of America, the DNC has made it clear that it does not represent young people or the working class. The DNC has essentially betrayed all the significant principles of the pre-2012 democratic party and now represents only Liberal boomers/Black Boomers/Never-trumper republicans/and free market, open borders fundamentalists/and screeching boomer moralizers and censorship advocates; it is no longer the democratic party that late wave xers and millennials had hereto called their political home. The now represents the worst aspects of both wings of boomerism; it has the political and economic platform of the mid-1990s republicans essentially and it embraced the most lunatic in new form of 1960s/1970s radicalism.

For us Millennials at this point, the choice in November is now such an obvious no brainer. Millennials will vote for Trump even though its is against what their mostly liberal/or free-trader parents want. Coming From a mixed race extended family myself, I can say that both Black and Latino under 50s will also vote for trump in unprecedented numbers for what a republican usually gets in a presidential election. Millennials having been forced to choose between their mostly neglectful and suppressive parents and their Friends who have cared for and helped each other their whole lives will ultimately cut the dead weight of their boomer oppressors (who should have been helping the young but instead betrayed and stunted them) thus resolving a dilemma that many millennial have faced since the 2008 recession, and thus therefore enter the next generational phase of their lives.

As usual, you can feel free to comment, Classic-Xer and Kinser if they are reading this can also comment on these thoughts.

From my perspective, Democrats, progressives, blues and liberals are different names for the same faction.  Republicans, conservatives and reds are the opposite.  Saying the progressives are allying with their opposites to oppose themselves makes no sense.

The sjws were active in the early part of Obama’s presidency.  The side for equality was on the offensive.  When Trump make it all right to be racist again, the KKK and Neo Nazi resurfaced, Antifa responded, but the sjws were no longer on the front burner.  Then Black Lives Matter manifested fully, putting the equality faction back on the offensive, and KKK the Neo Nazi and Antifa got moved off the front burner.  While I do not doubt that many sjws are participating now in the Black Lives Matter movement, reaching back in time to pretend they are now active is absurd.

I count it a big difference between an ideologue and someone with a scientific worst view.  An ideologue will quote partisan opinion pieces rather than news.  Someone leaning scientific will check his thinking often against reality, for example checking any predictions of violence against the spiral of rhetoric and violence.  If there is a conflict between their theory and reality, the scientist will update or abandon his theory.  The ideologue will more and more ignore reality in order to keep his theory and perceptions intact.  The object of a scientist is an ever improving theory.  The object of ideologue is to defend his theory at all costs, including his ability to think clearly or observe reality objectively.

Including logic.  You don’t see it often, but sometimes an ideologue will scramble his thinking to cling to a failing theory.

That seems to be happening now.  With the 4T you expect the old values to collapse and the problems facing the culture will be faced with competency and dedication.  To a great degree the conservatives had dedicated themselves to ignoring problems for the sake of low taxes and small government.  COVID has made this old approach of ignoring the Science obsolete.  As a result, those championing the old values have to stretch their case considerably.  They have more and more difficulty pretending their theories are beneficial in the environment created by the trigger.

Kings powers are ignored.  Slavery is made a thing of the past.  Dictators are defeated.  Problems are attacked, not ignored.

Not that I can force conservatives to think.  They will cling to their dated perspectives irrationally.  Kinser has always been an elitist, whether he aligns himself with the owners of the means of production or the Trump clique.  Classic has always been obsessed with violence that doesn’t exist, avoiding looking at the spiral of violence to keep his obsession alive.  Sure, you could welcome their thoughts.  Just don’t expect them to be rational.