We're WEIRD. Get over it.

[David Horn]

(09-20-2020, 01:39 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(09-20-2020, 01:00 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(09-19-2020, 11:11 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: It goes in spades to the Middle East.  Groups with like associations of tribe, region, religion and so forth will strive against other similar groups.

Of course, tribe, region, and sect are effective means of organizing society, and if one has no social organization, then WIERD ways will never have a way to form. Some people need those.

Tribal organization would definitely make sense in continuing and exaggerating the tribe's genes.  It was cost effective from Darwin's perspective for a long time.  Changing the group's mental makeup to value working with people with similar skills, reading, principle and culture is turning out to be more cost effective though.  The human race is drifting in the direction of WEIRD.

Some people need their tribes, though.  Loyalty to the group can be deeply ingrained, a way of thinking, stubborn to say the least.

Caution is in order though.  Rarely is anything or anyone all this or that.  For example, some members of the Red culture are quite urbane and well read, but have an emotional link to conservative thought patterns. Here in the South, that may be due to upbringing, and tempered but not totally overcome by life experience.  I can think of any number of examples within my social sphere.  Others are more as you described them.  The latter group is locked into that thinking; the former is more open to suasion of one form or another.

Ii think a lot of it is due to individual personality.  People interested in ideas have to be open. People only open to experiences can be less so.  People not open to either are locked into their respective mindsets, and more or less impervious to outside forces.