Fascism is on the ballot

[Bob Butler 54]

(10-14-2020, 11:16 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I think it's very clear that the blue media is in the business of seeking injustice and exploiting it without concern of the overall damage that it may cause. I doubt you'll find many KKK living in Minneapolis or St. Paul. Yes, there are less sterling people on both sides. The Democrats just seem to have a lot more of them these days.

I don't see how drawing attention to injustice is exploiting or causing damage. The intent is to make the injustice go away, which is a good thing. Are you in favor of injustice that you are defending it?

One of the central figures behind the racist violent cops is David Grossman, author of On Killing.  He made a big deal about how soldiers and cops need reinforcement from the people after doing their jobs, how people don’t like killing, how it is a good thing that the population get behind them after they do their duty.  A major distinction is in the behavior after Vietnam and how the people reacted after the recent Middle Eastern wars.  Returning Vietnam soldiers were blamed for being drafted and following orders.  More recently we may blame the politicians for war policy, but honor the soldiers regardless of what we think of the politicians.

This need for the public to applaud violent behavior can turn into a culture of encouraging violent behavior.  If there is an unjustified racial killing, it is excused as the cops think the public should always be behind police violence.  I am dubious.  The general public has a duty to be the conscience of those who use violence on their behalf.  If the violent people go astray, we are supposed to let them know about it.  We are supposed to try to stop it.

And we are seeing variants of it all over.  Whether it is the bad cops, the Proud Boys, Antifa, the Boogaloo Bois, the Wolverine Watchmen, Trump’s secret police, whatever.  The general trend is for the general public to say enough violence.  The general trend is that the violence stops.  The military stops taking part in action against the American people.  The secret police disappear from the headlines.  Everybody rejects the Boogaloo Bois.  The actions of the Proud Boys and Antifa are both rejected.  I don’t expect the various midwest militias to be plotting to kidnap elected officials in the near future.

The common theme is ‘bad violent extremists, bad’.  2020 may long be remembered as a bad year, but the people are winning.  It is looking to end.

You seem to be an exception with your obsession with violence.  Lot of talk.  No action.  You are still caught up in the Industrial Age pattern, when you needed violence to convince those with the old values to change.  Not clear that this is true anymore.  Note how the violence slows.

Agreed, the red violent extremists go by different names in different parts of the country.  They obsess on different issues.

I did visit the web site of the Twin City’s Star Tribune.  They did mention it would have been George Floyd’s birthday, but the protests and violence was not part of the coverage.  COVID was a big deal getting many articles.  The old high school is getting converted into apartments.  Things seem with the exception of COVID to have returned to normal.  

It is only when the red extremists go wild that there is a public rejection of their bad behavior.  Whether it is the Proud Boys shooting into crowds, bad cops being bad cops, militias kidnapping governors, Trump tear gassing peaceful protestors, I don’t see where the Democrats are the problem.  Antifa, maybe, but Antifa in its pure form are defenders against fascists.  Theirs is not what the Democrats are promoting, not part of their platform.

So your perception is what your politics leads you to see.  It has little to do with reality, not that paying attention to reality is a red strength.