Fascism is on the ballot

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(10-16-2020, 12:14 AM)CH86 Wrote:

(10-15-2020, 12:40 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(10-15-2020, 11:26 AM)CH86 Wrote: Donald Trump WILL Run again in 2024 (after repealing the two terms limit/he will achieve this via Berniecrats unexpectedly siding with the GOP on this one issue) but will be crushed in that election in 2024...

I suspect the polls are more or less right, Trump will loose, be found guilty of something or other, and therefore be disqualified from running in 2024.  This might not stop him from going through the motions, it will just prevent him from winning.  I don't expect, however, to convince an ideologue.  We'll see how Earth 1 progresses.

Nope the Polls are wrong because they oversample Boomers and democrats.

Wrong... unless the polls are landline-only (many people are abandoning landlines), and even if such were so, Boomers are about 5% more R than D.  

Quote:The Republicans polled are mainly boomers as well. I expect Trump to win on similar margins as last time.

Trump has little appeal to the Millennial generation which will be the bulk of new voters. Figure that about 1.6% of the electorate over 55 (which now includes practically no GI's, the Silent and then the later wave now approaching or just past 80, Boomers, and now the first wave of X.... all of those are now hard to distinguish in their partisan orientation. Figure that people are typically in the potential electorate for about 60 years. Surely you know what happens to a great degree among voters in their late seventies, their eighties, and nineties, don't you? About 1.6% of the electorate, largely at the upper end of the age brackets, dies off every year, and such people quite voting. 

Millennial voters are on the average about 20% more D than R, so figure that such is enough to have a swing of about 25% between older and younger voters; multiply that by at least 6.4% and you get at least a 1.6% even swing nationwide toward the Democrats between 2016 and 2020. That alone was potentially enough to swing Florida (29), Michigan (17), Pennsylvania (20), and Wisconsin (10) away from Trump and turn a  306-231 wining  environment for Trump into a  306-231 winning environment for a Democrat. That's before I discuss Californians moving into Arizona ant taking their D voting habits with them or the fast-growing Hispanic population in Arizona. 

To win in 2020, Donald Trump would have to have been a better President than people thought he would be... for that I defer to the mass dissent at his performance. Winning nominees for re-election do not have approval numbers in the low forties and disapproval in the mid-fifties.    

Quote:However it will not be the same demographics that voted for him in 2016 though. I do think Biden's gains among over 65 and seniors is genuine; however that will be more than off-set by gains Among Millennials, Latinos and Northern Blacks. It would be hilarious if Large swaths of places like New England or the Latino plurality counties in the southwest and California vote red in November. It would be doubly hilarious if Wayne County, Michigan for example; goes red at election day. Even more so if this DIDN'T wash over to the down-ballot races. Because it would be unmistakable what had happened, the establishment DNC would be utterly unable to lie and/or cover up what had actually happened. They would be unable to twist themselves into illogical knots trying to claim that voters didn't reject DNC establishment Boomer leaders and their ideas specifically.

Donald Trump is practically what Howe and Strauss said constituted the vices of Idealist generations (he is ruthless, arrogant, and selfish) as leaders and only two of the virtues (I consider him decisive... but decisively wrong!) of vision and erudite learning. He is a pathological leader, and such leads to catastrophic failure.

So what is pathological about him?

From The Allure of Toxic Leaders (Jean Lipman-Blumen) comes a veritable checklist (pp 10-20):

The characteristic destructive behaviors of toxic leaders include (as I summarize them):

• Leaving their followers (and frequently non-followers) worse off than they found them -- compromising them legally and morally, abusing them financially and sexually, destroying old family bonds and associations, and ruining their self-esteem
  
  Violating the basic standards of human rights of their supporters as well as of non-supporters.
  
  Grossly misrepresenting the competence and benign intentions of the Leader to the extent that followers see no alternatives to the Personality Cult
  
  Playing to the basest fears and needs of people without solving them
  
  Stifling any constructive criticism of the Leader and his methods and judgment of the results
  
  Pervasive deceit
  
  Subversion of traditional controls upon pathological leadership (legal process, education, the media) to get away with unethical, illegal, and criminal acts
  
  Establishment of a dynastic or totalitarian succession at the expense of free elections in politics and institutional merit in businesses and government bureaucracies
  
  Failure to nurture others (except cronies and family members) while inappropriately clinging to power
  
  Pitting constituents against each other
  
  Treating followers well, but encouraging them to hate and destroy others
  
  Creating pariahs for abuse
  
  Making the few who do well in the system dependent upon the survival of the power of the leader
  
  Neglect or sponsorship of incompetence, cronyism, and corruption
  

Quote:Link Below to a possible interpretation of what is causing the Riots. DNC is Using Antifa/BLM to terrorize their own wayward constituents. They are using Antifa/BLM to punish democratic constituents that refused to swallow Hillary in 2016. I only disagree regarding the conclusions in the link, in that I believe the DNC is Angry with Northern Blacks as well as Midwestern rust belt Whites. Note that No Riots have taken Place in the black belt of the Deep South or in Liberal Yuppie Areas. Atlanta is an exception that proves the rule because Its population is mainly Northern Black Transplants, not southerners. I don't believe this gambit would succeed though, instead there would be either mass defections to the GOP or the formation of a third party. Liberal 60's era boomers are really revealing their Control-freak nature these last couple election cycles.

http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2020/09/ri...mment-form

Does that seem a wise and effective strategy? You can trust that Democrats want as big a win as possible to ensure that

(1) Donald Trump goes down to defeat
(2) Democrats regain the Senate, and
(3) Democrats keep the House

The alternative is that Democrats lose the 2020 election, Donald Trump gets re-elected, and America degenerates into a high-tech version of feudalism in which extant elites enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else by ensuring that the vast majority of people see the sole purpose of life in the enrichment, enforcement, and indulgence of the will of those elites at the expense of any dignity (economic or moral) and even their debased lives.