Russia -- generations aligned with the West?

[Kinser79]

(05-16-2016, 11:24 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Brezhnev's Russia/USSR coincides with the Boom Awakening in the US, Britain, France, Japan, and western Germany.

And yet in Russia there was no awakening there. No new tech, no new ideas, no new nothing. Just stagnation. Oh and some contraversies within the Party. Coinciding with the Boom Awakening does not make the USSR have an awakening by magic.

Quote:It looks like an attempt to suppress the Awakening era, at which Brezhnev was largely successful.

Odd. All the new tech, new ideas, and so on came out between 1946-1964. If anything the GPW shortened the Soviet Awakening. It should also be noted that if one places the Reaction and Revolution Saeculum 4T (the name I've given the saeculum containing the last of the tsars and the Russian Revolution) as occurring between 1905-1922 Brezhnev himself would be an Artist. He certainly governed like one trying to placate reformers and hardliners both. You really should try reading the politburo minutes sometime...pretty interesting.

Quote: If anything, Brezhnev tried to extend a 1T.

Couldn't even if he wanted to. Mostly because the Soviet 1T ended in 1941 due to invasion.

Quote: See also Franco in Spain -- until he died. See what a Joseph McCarthy would have imposed on America had he gotten his way.

Franco was not a magical dictator, Spain is more or less on the Western Europe saeculum pattern. They had loads of decedents in the 1960s that gave Franco a major headache. He wasn't a magical dictator any more than Uncle Joe or Mao was.

Quote:Cultural stagnation does not mark a 3T.

Actually it does, in part, I suggest you read the books again. In the case with the USSR in particular the Party had political stagnation. In part because Brezhnev purged nobody and tried to placate everybody. Typical Artist ruling pattern.

Quote:The mass culture can get raunchy and mindless, but it is still vibrant.

Tell me what exactly is vibrant about Kim Kardashian's ass? I mean maybe I don't get it being a fag and all. Or how about what Lady Gaga wears? Most mass culture panders to the lowest common denominator regardless the turning, it is only in 3Ts that they seem to get stuck into a rut and stay there unless the medium is completely new.

Quote: Was Russian cultural life vibrant in the 1860s

Very vibrant actually once one got away from the peasants. Peasant stock is not known for their artistic sensibilities as you keep telling us due to your experiences in Michigan.

Quote:and 1970s? Definitely not.

Soviet culture of the 1970s were at their most soulless, most commerical and essentially everything you'd expect from at 3T in a Mega-resolution.

Quote: Such vibrancy was underground.

I think you overestimate the artistic tastes of the average Russian. It isn't much higher than your average American, and often lower. Of course I'm speaking as someone whose actually left the US.

Quote:Libertarian trends also mark a 3T... and the demise of Soviet Communism looks very 3T. Was there any libertarian trend in Russia under Brezhnev? I think not.

Russia is not fertile ground for libertarianism of any form. The whole society is innately collectivist, which is why they went with Communism to start with. Again you'd know this had you studied Russian history not to mention culture. Libertarianism is an ideology uniquely suited to Western sensibilities and as such is completely alien to Russians. Russia is not part of the West as I've told you numerous times.

That being said, the demise of the USSR was not in any way shape or form a 3T. The whole thing was extremely traumatic for Russians of all ages who experienced it. The youngest Russians have adapted best as they are a civic generation building a new capitalist Russia--but even their capitalism has that innate collectivist drive.