The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(12-31-2020, 10:13 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-31-2020, 12:40 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-31-2020, 12:25 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The government doesn't need as much taxation now that it's fully embraced raising  debt ceilings then  borrowing and spending. It's going to be a pretty big mess when it crashes but whatever, it will be viewed as Democratic problem that most Americans will longer be directly related by then. So, the question is will you still be alive or dead by then? Oh, the other question is, if you're dead, does death grant you a pass or guarantee you a place in suffering for an entire lifetime?

Now, there is cynicism on stilts.  It was Saint Ronnie who started deficit spending in good times, and cutting taxes to guarantee it would stay that way.  

You're welcome to your opinion, but you don't get your own facts.

You don't get your own facts either. So, who passed the Great Society and signed it into law while he was waging a needless war of attrition in South Vietnam that he had no intentions of winning?

Winning in the sense of invading North Vietnam and ending up facing the might of the Chinese People's Liberation Army? There are worse military situations than stalemate. 

Quote:There's the splitting point dude and the beginning of the national split that occurred before Reagan entered office. What Reagan did was necessary to bring an end to the Soviet Union and the Cold War years.

The Soviet Union was already failing from bad economic policies and excessive expenditures on its military might and subsidies to Communist Parties worldwide. It did much on the cheap in an effort to catch up with the West, and Chernobyl exemplifies that. The nuclear power plant was built without the redundant safeguards that prevent the devastating explosion and the release of so much radioactivity. Gorbachev himself attributed the demise of the Soviet system to the Chernobyl explosion. 

It is not clear who was leading the diplomatic effort in a dying rivalry between the US and the USSR. I could make a case that the Western democracies were delighted to see the Soviet satellite states get the independence that would eventually make the Commie regimes untenable but got cold feet about the demise of the Soviet Union. A democratized, more market-friendly Soviet Union would have been perfectly acceptable to American and other NATO leadership at the time. Gorbachev seems to have been trying to buy time to make his reforms work, and the West was willing to give him that time.    

Quote:Show me a worthless Democrat in office who hasn't capitalized off the natural split that occurred during the 60's? So, who is going to win the war that's coming with the Left? Keep in mind, the American right won't have its hands legally bound during the war that's coming with today's Left and the Leftists race or gender won't be viewed as a factor that seems cause one to pause these days either.

Starting with the reputed Fathers of the New Left, Herbert Marcuse (1898-1979) and Theodor Adorno (1903-1969), what was the New Left is either deceased or very old. Checking the Wikipedia article, one finds 

Jerry Rubin (1938-1994)
Mario Savio (1942-1996)
Bettina Aptheker (born 1944)
Abbie Hoffman (1936-1989)
Michael Harrington (1928-1989)


Yeah... people highly active today, who do not need further supporters to carry on any legacy. Martin Luther King  would turn 92 on January 15 were he still alive. MLK is not considered New Left. But of the Black Power movement, most (in)famously the Black Panthers, here are some of the figures:

Bobby Seale (born 1936)
Huey Newton (1942-1989)
Fred Hampton (1948-1969)
Eldridge Cleaver (1935-1998)

I haven't heard much about or from Bobby Seale for a very long time. 

The New Left divided between moderates and radicals, and 

Quote:    Port Huron Statement participant Jack Newfield wrote in 1971 that "in its Weathermen, Panther and Yippee incarnations, [the New Left] seems anti-democratic, terroristic, dogmatic, stoned on rhetoric and badly disconnected from everyday reality".[55] In contrast, the more moderate groups associated with the New Left increasingly became central players in the Democratic Party and thus in mainstream American politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left

Quote:So, what's Saint Joe going to do other than nod his head and go along with the rich who prefer to gamble and do business with American tax dollars who bought him his place in what's left of our American history together? So, how much government does a smaller American nation with a large population of self reliant people (low cost/low maintenance/ high yield) who are more or less equals in each others eyes who fully identify with the term American and believe in the American way really need to have these days?

I expect a rather bland Presidency that seeks no theater. Biden is not known for the incendiary rhetoric for which Donald Trump is infamous. You may take pride in being a "low cost/ low maintenance/ high yield person", whatever that is... but there used to be lots of those as miners and factory workers and their number of jobs has dwindled greatly. Besides, your narrow definition of what constitutes being an American excludes many people who do real good for this country. In view of all the fine immigrants from Vietnam after the North Vietnamese Army and Vietcong took over the Republic of Vietnam, do you still consider 'our' loss of the Vietnam War an unmitigated disaster for America?  

This is as American as one can be:



Just a reminder. Inclusion is victory.