01-17-2021, 12:11 PM
(01-17-2021, 01:57 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:(01-16-2021, 08:59 AM)jleagans Wrote: Hahahahahahahah. "Gen X takeover of leadership"
Not happening, sorry. The two dominant generations (Hero and Prophet) are the only ones that ever control society. The war between the two is the defining dynamic of the generational system. Look at the Boomers, their first half was a war against the GI Gen to get control (which happens around the midpoint of life, which was the 1980's and Reagan for Boomers) and their second half has been an escalating war with Millennials more and more demanding control. And as Millennials are all hitting their midpoint that control is soon to come.
The smaller generations (Silent and Nomad) never get control, and their only shot at Presidents comes at the TRANSITION from Hero to Prophet or Prophet to Hero.
FDR to Eisenhower all Prophet generation (1933-1960). 28 years of control.
JFK to George H. W. Bush were all Hero GI Generation (1961-1992) . 32 years of control.
Bill Clinton to Trump were all Prophet Boomer Generation (1993-2020). 28 years of control.
While the boundary years from the older generation are still pretty unclear, when I tried to map it out the last time I couldnt find a single President that was a clear Nomad (roughly 1890's/1900's).
Artist Presidents: 1920-1932, 2020+. Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, Biden. The Artist generation has done a bit better, but they only seem to be able to win after pandemics by making a "return to normalcy" appeal! And none of them have pulled two terms.
It's not small numbers; it is that the recessive (Artist/Adaptive, Nomad/Reactive) get fewer opportunities as a rule in politics. Until 2020 it was likely that the Silent generation would be skipped completely in the roster of Presidents
The more canonical position of Howe and Strauss is as such:
Washington, John Adams (Liberty: Reactive/Nomad)
Jefferson, Madison, Monroe (Republic: Civic/Hero)
J Q Adams, Jackson, Van Buren, W H Harrison Tyler (Compromise: Adaptive/Artist)
Polk (Transcendental: Idealist/Prophet)
Fillmore, Pierce: Idealist/Prophet)
Buchanan: Compromise, Artist/Adapive)
Lincoln, A. Johnson: Idealist/Prophet)
Grant, Hayes, Garfield, Arthur, Cleveland, B. Harrison, Cleveland [second time] Gilded: Reactive/Nomad*)
McKinley, T. Roosevelt, Taft, Wilson: (Progressive: Adaptive/Artist
Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, FDR (Missionary: Idealist/Prophet)
Truman, Eisenhower (Lost: Reactive/Nomad)
Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41 (GI: Civic/Hero)
Clinton, Bush 43 (Boom: Idealist/Prophet)
Obama (X: Reactive/Nomad)
Trump (Boom: Idealist/Prophet)
Should Trump be impeached and expelled or resign before Wednesday, Pence would be another Boomer.
as of Wednesday... Biden (Silent: Adaptive/Artist)
*The Gilded were brought up as Reactive/Nomad, but they took on a largely Civic/Hero role after the Civil War)
Yeah I don't agree at all with Strauss Howe's dates as they never make an argument for the dates they select, they just picked arbitrarily.
I use dates based on changes in national attitudes and fit the generations into 16-20 year ranges:
Turning boundaries:
1877-Compromise-End of Civil War 4th Turning / 1st American Saeculum
1890's- Turning, either the panic or the 1896 election haven't decided
1908-1912- Not yet sure which year works best
1929
1945
1963- Start of X, JFK assassination leads to broader societal cynicism.
1982-End of Stagflation leads to a new boom and economic optimism
2001- 9/11
Each of these years was a major, turning-long change in national attitudes.