Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy

[David Horn]

(08-18-2016, 05:39 AM)Mikebert Wrote:

(08-17-2016, 02:52 PM)David Horn Wrote: No, we agree 100% here.  Hillary wants the position and the prestige that goes with it.  I'm less convinced she actually wants to accomplish all that much though.  Most of her stated goals falls solidly in the small-ball range.  Since Presidents only get a portion of the things they request.  I see a disappointing next 4 years, maybe less inspiring than the post-2010 Obama experience ... setting up the critical 2020 election for the not-Dems

There nothing to agree with here.  I asked you a question.  What do you see as her motivation.  Do you seriously think that Hillary would do all this work just for the brief thrill of hearing them play "Hail to the Chief" when she walks into a room?  That's Trump's motivation, but there are two differences with him: (1) he is not working a third as hard on his campaign as Hillary (it shows) and (2) he has already implied he would delegate most of the work to Pence and others, while keeping the prestige for himself.  One the whole its just another trophy for him, and not work more than the effort he is giving it.  Trump makes sense to me.

On the other hand, Hillary plans to work at the job as hard as Obama did, maybe even harder.  She KNOWS the Congressional Republicans will try to block her every move.  She KNOWS there is going to be a recession on her first term.  She KNOWS she faces a better than even chance of going down as a hated president.  And yet she is willing to work like a dog for this shit sandwich of a job and then buckle down and DO IT.  it makes no sense. Why is she doing this?

I can see why Bill made such an effort, he was young and had relatively little money (when they became president the Clintons were about as rich as we were at their age.)  They are not great money managers, they pay ridiculous tax rates (more than twice what a Romney pays) which proves they don't *think* like rich people, but rather like the politicians they are. Nevertheless they have more money than could ever spend and won't ever need any more for personal reasons.  I believe Obama plans to take the same path and soon he and Michelle will be buried in cash. 

But Bill and Hill are loaded.  Money is no longer any motivation so why is she doing this?  I understood why Bush and McCain and Romney ran.  But what personal motivation Hillary could have is hard to see.

Ask yourself why an Olympian trains for years to compete for medals that have limited value after they are obtained.  Is it prestige or a personal challenge or even a poke-in-the-eye to some unknown and unseen enemy?  I'm sure there are lots of reasons, but only a very few compete to elevate their sport or for some other unselfish and noble reason. 

So why is Hillary in the POTUS race so doggedly?  I'm not a psychologist, but I'll bet it includes (or may consist entirely of) the opportunity to defeat her enemies.  Where we disagree is on her lack of self awareness and even her sense of destiny.  I don't see her as insightful at all.  She's certainly dogged and more than adequately scrappy, but I don't see her as a visionary in any sense.  As a visionary, she's the female GHWB.  On score settling, GWB.

Sorry, but I'm just not a fan.  I find her off-putting in the extreme.