You Will Own Nothing. You Will Be Happy.

[David Horn]

(07-30-2021, 11:54 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: The primary problem with representative democracy is that the representatives see themselves as members of the elite.  Thus, government comes to favor the elite creating the huge division of wealth Marx was upset about.  The solution is direct vote computer democracy, to take the representatives out of the picture, but we seem not to be ready for that given security and cultural issues.

Revolution is not a way to get there as the revolutionaries are too tempted to become the new elites.  Thus far, every communist revolution has resulted with a new group of elites replacing the old.  They have an affinity for the owners of the means of production just as much as the old nobility that preceded them.  As none of the Neo Marxist groups have suggested how to solve that problem, the intuitive rejection of Marxism as yet another autocratic system that favors an elite gets rejected.  How far can Marxism go if not trusted by the people?

I would rather work on getting rid of the representatives than convince the violent people not to use violence to make elites of themselves.

I have to agree with all of this, and add the following. Anti-elite movements never succeed because some form of elite force is needed to bering them into being.  Marx's withering away of the state is and always has been a form of wishful thinnking that is about as likley as the sun rising in the west.  The only truly egalitarian societies that have ever existed were among hunter-gatherers or within the context of a religous order.  I don't see either as a model for society in general.  If I'm right on this (and I think I am) a different model that will work is needed and soon.  We're moving toward total oligarchy or some as yet undefined better option,  We need to be in a hurry to find it.