The Partisan Divide on Issues

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(08-28-2021, 05:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-28-2021, 11:55 AM)David Horn Wrote: Well, she's a Silent, and still thinks like one whether she chooses to or not.  Her white privilege is the result of 8 decades if life -- the formative 2 in the pre-Civil Rights era.  All in all, she' pretty progressive on race, but the wiring still shows from time to time.

White privilege is only part of the problem. Today, we have black privilege and brown privilege causing problems too.

The only non-white privilege that I could imagine is "Asian-American" privilege in the sense that most white people see peoples, at the least of east-central Asian origin (Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese) as for all practical purposes "white". When I attended college in California in the 1970's, I could not distinguish such people from white people by skin color alone. Then comes antipathy related to garbage claiming that COVID-19 is biological warfare by China. 

OK. Let's look at someone who has much privilege who is black:

    

Yes, she is privileged because she has honed her musical talent so that she can lease it profitably. She was fortunate to belong to a part of the black bourgeoisie that puts a high value on talent and formal education. Someone white with similar talent and curriculum vitae (let us say Lady Gaga) would also be similarly privileged and would not attribute her success to being white. With her success comes access to five-star hotels and plush accommodations while traveling. I have no idea how she spends her huge earnings and really don't care -- but I can assure you that she lives far better than a welfare recipient, to put it mildly. She has fully earned her privilege, something that she uses to facilitate her achievements.

Privilege is more costly than outright pay. Big business and the government do not offer it unless it is likely to do them perceptible, marketable good.

Nobody gets any special breaks for being black, and not even from the black bourgeoisie. It's open to white spouses who have biracial children who have no cause to identify as white.  

Had she not been murdered, Selena Quintanilla (a Mexican-American) might have had us thinking much the same about her.  

Quote:I mean, look at the Obama's and all the special protections they have today.

As an ex-President and ex-First Lady they get Secret Service protection. Bess Truman got that until she died, as did Lady Bird Johnson. So what! 

Let's remember: Barack Obama is one of the most brilliant, savvy political figures of American history. His talents should be obvious. Able to put words together with mathematical logic and clarity of expression, he is precisely the sort of person who fares well in law school. His personal ethics are unobjectionable. 

How good a President do I think he is? Except for one thing he is the ideal model of a conservative President. No, it is not being black.  

Quote:Yes, she seems pretty progressive on race and social policy but she's rich and she's connected the the white privileged who still control the strings and control (pick and choose) the candidates and it's very clear that they're not interested in backing or advancing the best or the strongest politicians/representatives these days.

Elections show who the strongest pols are for the time. In some times that is the ones who show the most craven obeisance to super-rich interests intent on huge profits from some economic gravy train at the expense of everyone else. In other times the strongest pols are those who needle irresponsible, super-rich plutocrats and callow ignoramuses. We shall see which narrative holds true in 2022 and 2024. 

Quote:I know this goes against the blue narrative but they are what's left of the white right aka white supremacists today. I don't hate you Dave. Of the group, I've always respected you the most as a person. It's to bad, the white right and the modern American Right are eventually going to go to blows and people like you are going to find themselves caught in the middle of it. Fortunately, you live in a safe place so keep your mouth shut and your head down and you'll be fine. Good Luck. Welcome to the 4T.

I know what you think of me. I have an Obama campaign shirt and no "Che Guevara" paraphernalia. I have no use for a murderer. I hold Donald Judas Iscariot Trump in contempt as well as such memes as "Make America Great Again". I have some nostalgia for a time when small business was more the norm in American economic life, when more people were honest-to-God capitalists... but I suppose that millions of Americans decided that retail discounts were more important than having local merchants and that having an ATM card useful without a fee nearly nationwide at Chase, Bank of America, or Wells Fargo was better than buying travelers' checks for out-of-state travel at a local bank, and that multitudes of people with college degrees preferred working for some bloated government or commercial bureaucracy than in some small business (let alone starting one oneself). Then we found it cheaper to import consumer goodies from Chinese sweatshops than to buy from American manufacturers. Trump got a few things right, as is typical of demagogues from Hitler to Peron to Nasser to Castro, but he got much more wrong.      

Quote:I don't want you thinking that I'm in the loop because I'm not in the loop. All I've been doing is using logic and simply sharing my logical conclusions. So far, my logical conclusions have been more accurate than Eric's personal  interpretations of the stars. But so far, the two of us have been on the same page about what lays ahead. We both predict a major reckoning. We differ on which side is going to prevail and which side is going to end up being stuck with the shitty end of the stick. Just so you know, the GOP does not represent the American Right.

What? The moderates and liberals of the past who used to be part of the GOP have either died off, abandoned the GOP, or sold out. The Republican Party has gone from center-right to semi-fascist.  Should it ever go full-blown fascist while it has dominance, then we are all screwed. Even if one supports the system one will find that his children will be cannon fodder for wars for profit, that people that you once thought of as good people except for their politics have somehow vanished without a trace. Working conditions will get harsher, and employers will lengthen hours and shorten pay while allowing people connected to the regime to bleed you for "charitable" contributions to party fronts. Education? Once-great universities would be turned into diploma mills serving people better known for their activism on behalf of the Party than on academic talent. (German university degrees from the Nazi era are considered suspect, but those from before and after that era are well regarded -- even from Commie-era East Germany). Small business? You too would be bled for contributions to Party "charities" that gut the profits that are your living. That's how things went in Hitlerland, which is what Nazism was without the racism and genocide; it was still horrible.

I don't know if you recall a video in which I showed the US Army entering Munich on April 30, 1945 (coincidentally the day on which Adolf Hitler "offed" himself). Except that people aren't bringing out national flags as they had just done in France, Belgium, and Greece or were doing so in stages of deliverance in Italy and the Netherlands or would soon do in Denmark and Norway, it looked much the same. The Cross-of-Satan flag of the demonic Third Reich no longer qualified as a national flag. 

The Day of Liberation from some sick perversion of American political tradition may be the day that marks the end of terror and the beginning of hope.    

Quote:The American Right supported Donald Trump. The GOP supported Joe Biden in the last election and doing whatever it has to keep itself in power. I saw Lindsey Graham talking to Hannity the other day. He looked/spoke like a guy who had an invisible noose around his neck. So, it's not just the Democrats who are in trouble, the GOP are in trouble too.

Some members of the GOP recognized Donald Trump as the dangerous demagogue that he is. Far more didn't. They support him so long as he is useful.  Republicans are in trouble for selling out to Trump.