(10-06-2021, 09:50 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote:(11-13-2019, 04:28 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(11-13-2019, 09:11 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote:(11-10-2019, 11:16 AM)David Horn Wrote:(11-10-2019, 06:59 AM)Bill the Piper Wrote: It created a very colourful saeculum. Music from our cycle especially from the 1980s will probably be played for centuries. Same for movies and fashion. I can't imagine the boys of 2200 not knowing Rocky.
When it comes to politics, I prefer the Missionaries.
We Boomers have more in common with the Transcendentals, and that make us a bit scary. I agree, the Missionaries were a better version of Prophet.
Boomer politics is simply demented doom, their orientations are varied but all agree in rejecting rationality and civilization. The evangelicals chose theocratic mysticism, while the hippies chose Earth-worship and the "neoliberals" chose magic of the market.
That's not demented doom. Civilization and rationality are not rejected. Rationality as the prior religion as reason uber alles is rejected. We need all our faculties, not just one which has limited application. Thinking and words are too limited and clumsy to base all our actions on. We need greater awareness. We are all distorted and confined by the uncontrolled activity of mind chatter, and need to learn to meditate. The Pew chart that said the Greatest Generation "meditates" is absurd. Pew must be using a different definition of meditation. It is suspension of thinking, and focused awareness; not thinking about stuff.
Please view the videos I posted by Watts and Sheldrake under the scientism thread. Everyone needs to see those. People have a lot of misconceptions about science and worldviews; these authors and speakers are truly great communicators and fun to listen to.
Neo-liberalism is demented; I wouldn't say doom necessarily, but it has been carried to an extreme, and not by boomers! By conservatives of all generations including white millennials. It needs to be defeated as our governing political ideology, and has not been for 40 years.
Earth worship is the opposite of doom; it is needed for survival. It is WITHOUT Earth worship that we are doomed. Get that straight; you have it reversed! It is needed for survival of civilization!
Civilization can be seen also as sometimes a limiting factor and not the only value. We need to admit Nature back into our lives and our being, and free ourselves from the authority of imposed and cruel kinds of civilization. But on the whole, if reformed and advanced, civilization is seen by boomers and all generations as a positive and also productive of many high values.
The sixties greenpeace and spiritual revolutions began under a Uranus-Pluto conjunction, like the previous such conjunctions that occurred at the beginning of the previous democratic and socialist revolutions. The sixties awakening and its revolutionary ideals cannot ever be "out of date" and are not the sole characteristic of "boomers." A revolution continues to expand and grow until it governs a large portion of humanity. It reaches a fullfillment stage at the opposition in which it takes appreciable power.
Please read:
http://philosopherswheel.com/thethreerevolutions.html
As a "conservative white Millennial" I don't really care about preserving neoliberalism. I just hate the current SJW and "trust the science" culture. I am reacting against that.
Neoliberalism has failed except at keeping labor cheap and prices low. If you are delighted about cheap groceries, restaurant meals, and vehicle services, then neoliberalism at least made that possible. If you had to do those services or food processing, then you were burned. Real wages fell from the 1970's until 2020. Part of course was that industrial jobs vanished as many manufacturers became importers taking advantage of super-cheap labor elsewhere and as what work existed was automated to require fewer assembly-line jobs. (That smart and ambitious Boomers did not want to take the assembly-line jobs that they saw as repetitive and soul-crushing helped to make automation and off-shoring easy choices by executives. The sorts of people who could have innovated methods of production and found ways to make manufacturing work more dignified went elsewhere).
Economic sadism was a hallmark of neoliberalism, and that itself makes social justice warriors a necessity if people are to find dignity in their lives.
Science is amoral. Science tells us how we can transport material objects by rail cars, how we can herd people into ghettos that make shipping them off to some unknown destination easy to organize, how we can trick people into getting into those rail cars, how we can fuel and guide the rail cars, how we can trick people into believing that they are going to take showers, how to introduce pellets of Zyklon-B into those fake showers, and what the cyanide ions do to people exposed to it. Science cannot tell us
Quote:Thou shalt not kill.
Morality can. The most effective religions can make morality clear. Science can tell us the consequences of certain deeds, but it can't tell us right from wrong. Science can tell us even how we can murder people in large numbers.
Ironically, scientists are generally well-developed in discussing moral issues as consequences of the use of scientific knowledge. In the old Soviet Union, the nuclear physicists were the first to dissent against nuclear proliferation. They were the first to attend scientific conferences in such places as Paris, as did Americans attending such conferences in Leningrad (the city name at the time). They could do the math on the "yields" of their atom bombs and decide, after having a good time by physicists' standards (attending banquets, visiting historical sites and art galleries, etc.) that using such a weapon as an atom bomb upon such cities would be a ghastly crime. But that is morality, if not religion.
Religion is not the question; morality is. People can believe all sorts of crazy things and call it religion.
This is obviously not part of any Catholic tradition. Some people think it a proof of the adequacy of faith.
People can be moral without being religious, and people can be amoral while being profoundly religious.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.