The Partisan Divide on Issues

[pbrower2a]

(11-02-2021, 03:57 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-01-2021, 04:57 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(11-01-2021, 02:34 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(11-01-2021, 01:09 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 12:59 PM)David Horn Wrote: You keep making these claims, but the numbers are against you.  The Blue side is still a larger percentage of the country and resides in the areas that are wealthier and frankly more strategic. "Most of America" lives Blue, not Red.

Biden is down to thirty some percent support nation wide and you're telling me the percentages are heavily in your favor. The Blue side or Progressive side only amounts to 30 some percent of the country these days. How many times have I've told you/ referred to that over the years? So, who is going to fight the Blue sides upcoming war with America? A bunch of crooked bureaucrats/politicians/political activists, ghetto slugs/hoodlums/petty thieves, urban gang banger's, pot heads/drug addicts, clueless/naive teenagers (mainly younger women), crazed/indoctrinated SJW's who have never really seen large scale violence or real warfare and single mothers/women?

I'm not a Red. I'm a hardcore American. How many times have I told you or reminded you of that fact over the years? If you loose the bulk of the country, the bulk of its economy, the bulk of its military and it's tax base, what does the Blue/Progressive side have left at that point? We are stuck with the piece of shit that you and the others elected but the cool thing is that America doesn't have to stick with him and go down with him. America is free to part ways, declare its independence and reestablish itself  and begin taking the law into it's own hands. The old laurels that kept the country together no longer exist these days. The Left has pretty much destroyed them by no longer honoring them.

Biden's popularity, or lack of it, is almost insignificant as a Blue marker.  He was and is a placeholder, put in place by another geriatric politician, and showing his and their communal age.  Biden wil not run again, even if his approval rises to 90%, because he knows he's already pushing the bounds of what an 80-year old can do.  And your idea that Democrats are somehow not Americans, but, apparently, Republicans are, is simply silly.  Add ten years to the present, and see who runs the show.  It won't be the geriatric Left or Right.  It will be the young.

President Biden will at most be the Man of the Moment due to his age alone. He has little generational constituency, as most of the Silent generation is already deceased. He has obvious limitations due to age. He may have most of the same principles of younger liberals, but there are far more young liberals who will follow him. The essential matter of the moment in November 2020 was to defeat Donald Trump before he could destroy American democracy.

He will not solve all of America's problems once and for all. Nobody can. That will be for others to do, one legislative session at a time.But we did solve one problem, did we not? Donald Trump is no longer President, and he can no longer drive America into a dictatorship as he sought to do. America gets a little breathing room, time in which it can contemplate what is wrong with much of the country.  

Quote:And now once again, you note the intent of "America" to part ways with America, presumably.  Easy to say; hard to do.  I will conceed, there are plenty on both sides happy to join hands in making the break, but, as alwasy, the devil will be in the details.

America's biggest problems are not going to be solved by under-educated people. However rough life might be in Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee, or Philadelphia, moving to the Rural South is no solution.The public schools suck. Poverty is the norm. The jobs aren't there. People who lack the education suitable to high-tech activities will not be the needed labor force.

I don't see another politician besides Biden available now who could beat Donald Trump, or even several other likely Republican candidates. If he is a placeholder, who is he holding a place for? Trump? Another Republican? That is practically all there is to replace him with. If McAuliffe fails tomorrow, where does that leave him? And us?

You don't see some Democratic politician who can defeat Donald Trump?

With the sordid events of January 6, the former President has disgraced himself. He could have told people to have a celebration of his political legacy as a start of the effort to take America back from people that he deemed sure to wreck it with their liberal, big-0spending agendas. He could have told his supporters to work upon local races to take advantage of structural weaknesses in Democratic support to replace shaky liberals with hard-core MAGA types in swing states. He could have told them to hone their pitches to appeal to people who might be amenable to the MAGA message.

Instead President Trump claimed that people could go on to the Capitol Building and obstruct the official count of the Electoral Vote. There is no legal precedent for people negating a settled election. We have elections in the various States and Dee Cee, and and laws determine who can vote and how votes will be counted. It is up to nobody to refute an official count even in a close election barring egregious fraud such as tampering with voting devices or intimidating potential voters..

This should be telling: on January 6, the State of Georgia had two run-off elections for US Senators. Typically, Republicans win such races. Those elections were held the same day as the Capitol Putsch, and voters in Georgia replaced two Republican Senators with liberal Democrats who make an effective majority if their Party has the presidency. A state that had had no Democratic Senator since 2002 now had two, reflecting the growth of the electorally-Blue area of Greater Atlanta. Whether such is cause or coincidence, even one Republican win of either race would have caused more complete gridlock than we now have.

Most Republicans soiled themselves by backing the coup, a coup that better resembled the Bolshevik seizure of the Winter Palace in Petrograd (Commies long called that event the Glorious October Revolution) on behalf of Vladimir Lenin.  The vast majority of Americans have no use for Marxism-Leninism either for its agenda or its methods.

The American electorate is still conservative on the whole. Nevertheless, the Democratic party is finding an increasing number of people, genuine conservatives, recognizing the Democratic Party. Those who see rational thought as a good idea (it is better than superstition, pseudoscience, bigotry, and religious fanaticism), who think that law and order is necessary for the protection of human rights and civil liberties, and who would like to see small business become a useful escape from poverty can find a home in the Democratic Party that the GOP has made unwelcome. Ordinarily the defense of tradition is a cause for the Right, but remember well that America is multicultural in having multiple traditions that nobody can assail without resorting to bigotry. What all of those traditions share is respect for the Rule of Law, respect for formal education in its own right, and recognition of the value of skill and expertise. The Trump-era GOP has rejected what used to be cornerstone values of the GOP in Eisenhower's day.

Just recheck the overlay between the Eisenhower and Obama victories. Obama may have been too liberal to win over the farm-and-ranch vote and the Mormons, but he got the rest of the Eisenhower coalition. Eisenhower was the last Republican to win all three of Massachusetts, Minnesota, and Rhode Island since 1924, and the last Republican to win all three states. He accomplished that tricky feat twice.

I can't speak for Ike, but I can't imagine him thinking well of Donald Trump.

Yes, it is Election Day, 2021. Les jeux sont faits.