Cleveland Indians dropping the name "Indians"

[Anthony '58]

(12-16-2021, 01:52 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(12-16-2021, 11:43 AM)Anthony Wrote: Just another example of the woke nonsense that will never again allow the Democrats to regain the kind of mandates that they had under FDR and LBJ - at least not until all the "traditionalists" are gone (somewhere in the neighborhood of 2045).

Would it be any less offensive if they called themselves the "Cleveland Krauts" and had images of men wearing monocles, having iron crosses in plain sight, drinking beer out of bloated steins, and eating greasy sausages in the presence of women dressed like Brunnhilde? Or having the "Cleveland Dagos" having Mafia allusions that offend most Italian-Americans?

At the least the Atlanta Braves (originally the Boston Braves) have an allusion to the original Tea Party in which the raiders of the ships of the British East India Company dressed up like warriors? There were practically no people of First Peoples origins in Boston. 

American First People were never a cultural monolith. The depiction of such people by the Cleveland Indians or the Washington Redskins was unwelcome. Surely you must recognize that the Cherokee and the Hopi are very different. (Oddly the Shoshone are fairly close relatives of the Aztecs who established a sophisticated civilization in Teotihuacan, now Mexico City). 

The Chicago Blackhawks are recognition of a genuine chief. 

Let's show some respect for cultures that are not ours but are no less valid than ours. America is not a haven for the cultural avant-garde. It is not a cultural monolith. 

By the way -- I have never drunk beer from a stein, and I prefer Puccini to Wagner.

I'm not saying that you are wrong - only that these crusades are, collectively, costing the Democrats scores of millions of older white votes.

As for the Chicago Blackhawks, their logo can simply be changed to a black hawk!

Are the NBA's Atlanta Hawks receiving any flack for their name or logo?

And I have to admit that my favorite pasta sauce is Paesana's Sicilian Gravy, and Carando Spicy Sicilian meatballs, which I chop up to form a meat sauce (even being merely Italian is not good enough for me!).