The Partisan Divide on Issues

[pbrower2a]

(02-02-2022, 01:38 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-02-2022, 09:55 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(02-02-2022, 01:11 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-28-2022, 10:30 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(01-28-2022, 01:13 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Bluer as in more darker in terms of peoples skin tone or bluer as in more Progressive minded and big government oriented/related like Washington DC? In Minnesota, the rural Democrats are dying off and the rural communities that were controlled by them for several decades are turning into ghost towns. As a result, the more economic minded and more American minded Republicans and their voters are taking over and the economy is becoming more economically diverse. So, are you familiar with what's going on between Buckhead and Atlanta these days? Buckhead has formally declared its independence and is in the process of breaking free from from Atlanta. I think it's a good gauge what's to come and what to expect as time goes on.

Rural areas have always been more conservative in every meaning of the word -- even during the labor movement period of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.  Dogma tends to set-in in more insular communities.  They may get infuriated, but they aren't empowered, unless they decide to bring out the guns.  Then it's open rebellion.  Nothing good comes from that.

The young don't believe it can happen, not even the rural young.  If it does, then the armies are aligned and battlelines drawn.  Youth WILL show up out of pure self-interest.

Dude, the armies are already aligned and the battle lines have already been drawn and the Blue youth that show up out of pure self interest are going to find Themselves being turned against each other and slaughtered. The Blue community seems pretty insular and dogmatic these days don't you think. I suppose that you don't think or view it that way since it's very obvious to everyone else that you're one of Them. Sorry dude, I wish I was a better writer than a businessman. It's the only thing that's  keeping you in the game at this point.

In your scenario, the US Armed Services would divide between your concept of a Real America and the more diverse America. The Armed Services recruit heavily from poor people with the offering of steady work, clear direction, and career training. It is too well-disciplined to splinter. In short the Army is not on any side yet, and it will not end up on any one side unless to suppress sedition -- especially if that manifests itself in 'ethnic cleansing' or religious persecutions.  

You may expect private militias responsible to none but their leaders to establish marauding bands; the Army knows how to deal with such bands. Those bands will be put down swiftly and surely. If those marauding bands leave behind large numbers of dead, then images of such will be powerful tools for discrediting them.

It is clear that Trump tried in every way to steal the presidency from the people, who elected Joe Biden instead. He asked the army to steal voting machines so they could be tampered with. He asked state officials to change the votes. He asked his attorney general to declare the election invalid. He asked his vice president to change the electoral vote. Only the willingness of the officials which he himself appointed to obey the constitution saved our republic from this tramp pretender. Yet you on the red side oppose the constitution and instead obey this demagogue tyrant, and organize militias carrying illegal guns to do your will.

We typically have an alternation of Party dominance because one of the Parties once in power either starts to fail or goes stale. We had a succession of three two-term Presidents (Clinton, Dubya, Obama) followed by a President from the other Party. Trump came close to getting re-elected despite an execrable record as President, which demonstrates the usual effectiveness of incumbency. The last one-term President before Trump, the elder Bush was basically an echo of the politically-successful Reagan. It took three terms for the Reagan-Bush Presidency to go stale.

Had President Trump been a more effective President, then he would have won re-election. He did enough to cause enough voters (by about one million nationwide, which demonstrates the distortion that the Electoral College creates) to turn against him. Trump claims to have lost because of 'late' votes. No, he lost because of votes counted late, and that the votes were counted late in Atlanta, Detroit, Las Vegas, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Pittsburgh does not so much reflect votes coming in late as it does the delay in completing the count. Votes counted the next day count no less than those that can be counted and tallied within a few minutes after the precinct (with a small population) closes.

Republicans have yet to figure why they fare so poorly in winning certain demographics. When they finally respond appropriately they will win big again.

Quote:You Classic Xer think that your side will stay loyal to this idiot liar and cheater. I doubt that they will. If Trump is re-elected in 2024, probably through tampering with the electoral vote and suppressing voters' rights, he will appoint officials only loyal to him, not to the constitution, and who can be depended upon to disobey the oath which is administered to them. You think the people will stay loyal to the tyrant demagogue, but this may not happen.

His side will remain loyal to the Trump agenda, especially if someone adopts it. His side will sacrifice liberty and democracy with glee so long as his side hears the soothing platitudes about themselves and excoriation of those unlike them. The gutting of American democracy does not depend upon Trump being the R nominee.

More germane is whether his side will shrink. The Trump agenda appeals heavily to an older-than-average demographic that one can expect to shrink if it isn't replaced. For an analogy of replacement, nursing homes that relied heavily on clients born in the 1890's and 1900's forty years ago now rely heavily upon clients born in the 1930's and 1940's. This said, recordings of  Perry Como are readily available to anyone who wants them... as cast-offs that nobody buys in thrift stores. (Como had an attractive voice, but he largely sang sentimental mush much out of style these days).

Economic necessity (nursing homes) changes less rapidly than does culture (musical tastes and political values). We shall see whether the 2022 midterm elections make R cheating possible in 2024. In the event that Republicans get overwhelming power through electoral cheating, then they will be in position in which to mow down any protesters whose deaths will mark the end of American democracy for a very long time.

Quote:Your goal is ethnic cleansing, on Trump's theory that urban people of color have no rights and should not vote, or that their votes are invalid and should not be counted. But these people will also have a voice and a power, and they may continue to have the state and the constitution on their side, instead of on yours.

Germany in 1930 had only one significant model minority: the Jews. Model minorities doing well are far more likely to be exterminated than oppressed minorities precious for cheap labor. The elites cherish the high profits of economic exploitation, but they love to eliminate competition such as small business. America has several model minorities that now vote largely D despite having good cause to be conservatives on property rights, business regulation, crime, taxes, and labor-management relations... and having traditions that they consider precious.

At this point I predict that the conservative coalition of 2040 (should democracy prevail in America) will more resemble Obama supporters than Trump supporters.