03-04-2022, 07:17 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-04-2022, 07:44 PM by Eric the Green.)
This 4T has a lot of 3T left over. Neoliberalism/Reaganomics is tempting sloganeering, and nothing has really replaced it as the dominant ideology. This sort of 4T is that way also because there's a lot of civil war crisis in it. The previous civil war crisis had so much 3T in it all the way to 1860 that the T4T authors could not bring themselves to admit that 1850-1860 was also 4T.
I see very little in these times that is 2T. The Awakening has all but dried up. There are still people around seeking or experiencing spiritual awakening, but mostly these are older people who were already awakened. The pop culture in the USA is even more crass now than during the 3T. Nor do I see any signs of a real artistic renaissance. Sexual freedom has all but dried up, often for good reason, first due to AIDS in the 3T, and then the extreme reaction to sexual abuse including the MeToo movement. The easy-going trust of the love generation is nowhere to be found. How many hitchhikers have you picked up lately? The fear of the crime wave that happened during the 3T has never quite left us, and crime is on the rise again. Covid has eliminated establishing new close relationships. The love-ins are over for now. The greeting we give each other now is not the 2T's peace sign or "far out/groovy", but "stay safe". And with good reason. Such popular movements as exist now are either invalid reactionary ones, economic-focused ones, or the same political or racial/identity-focused ones from before. Outward and political concerns dominate, and for good reason. So I don't understand the title of this thread at all.
I see what you mean about 2012-2015, to some extent, galaxy. To me there seemed to be some bright pop stars, most of them solo female, and some good "Happy" "Good Time" songs that enthralled lots of young people, and I thought there was potential there. But some of them like Justin Bieber, whose deserved success starting in 2009-2010 was owed to youtube as part of the internet revolution, were also ridiculed and had some trouble. This has all melted away by now, and it never reached toward any level to compare with the pop or classical culture of awakenings. Such Happy songs are not really that characteristic of a 2T anyway. They emphasized the collegial and the culturally-superficial nature of the young civic Millennial Generation as they dominated pop culture.
"then of course there's the remarkable comparison between the 2020 and 1896 elections." 2020 has the potential to become a political re-aligning election, but so far it looks like it may be just another 1992 or 2008, with the people still being unwilling to support a Democratic president when they finally elect one. If Biden and the Democrats recover, then perhaps the trickle-down ideology will finally be broken if the BBBBB is finally passed. Taxes must be raised permanently on the wealthy, and it must stick, and it must be OK again to provide government social welfare to those in need. Anything less is completely anachronistic in an economy in which the jobs are either high tech, done by robots or sent overseas. Anything less and our nation has sold out to the Reagans and their big money backers, and there will be no 1T to follow because our nation and our world will not survive a permanent neoliberal Reaganomics USA government that is inherently unwilling to address climate change or growing inequality.
The fact though Mr. Galaxy is that re-aligning elections happen during both 2Ts and 4Ts. They happen about 40 years apart according to a famous cycle often discussed here. 1896 was certainly one during a 2T, and so was 1980, and 1932 was during the previous 4T, and as 1860 was during the previous civil war 4T, and so on.
I see very little in these times that is 2T. The Awakening has all but dried up. There are still people around seeking or experiencing spiritual awakening, but mostly these are older people who were already awakened. The pop culture in the USA is even more crass now than during the 3T. Nor do I see any signs of a real artistic renaissance. Sexual freedom has all but dried up, often for good reason, first due to AIDS in the 3T, and then the extreme reaction to sexual abuse including the MeToo movement. The easy-going trust of the love generation is nowhere to be found. How many hitchhikers have you picked up lately? The fear of the crime wave that happened during the 3T has never quite left us, and crime is on the rise again. Covid has eliminated establishing new close relationships. The love-ins are over for now. The greeting we give each other now is not the 2T's peace sign or "far out/groovy", but "stay safe". And with good reason. Such popular movements as exist now are either invalid reactionary ones, economic-focused ones, or the same political or racial/identity-focused ones from before. Outward and political concerns dominate, and for good reason. So I don't understand the title of this thread at all.
I see what you mean about 2012-2015, to some extent, galaxy. To me there seemed to be some bright pop stars, most of them solo female, and some good "Happy" "Good Time" songs that enthralled lots of young people, and I thought there was potential there. But some of them like Justin Bieber, whose deserved success starting in 2009-2010 was owed to youtube as part of the internet revolution, were also ridiculed and had some trouble. This has all melted away by now, and it never reached toward any level to compare with the pop or classical culture of awakenings. Such Happy songs are not really that characteristic of a 2T anyway. They emphasized the collegial and the culturally-superficial nature of the young civic Millennial Generation as they dominated pop culture.
"then of course there's the remarkable comparison between the 2020 and 1896 elections." 2020 has the potential to become a political re-aligning election, but so far it looks like it may be just another 1992 or 2008, with the people still being unwilling to support a Democratic president when they finally elect one. If Biden and the Democrats recover, then perhaps the trickle-down ideology will finally be broken if the BBBBB is finally passed. Taxes must be raised permanently on the wealthy, and it must stick, and it must be OK again to provide government social welfare to those in need. Anything less is completely anachronistic in an economy in which the jobs are either high tech, done by robots or sent overseas. Anything less and our nation has sold out to the Reagans and their big money backers, and there will be no 1T to follow because our nation and our world will not survive a permanent neoliberal Reaganomics USA government that is inherently unwilling to address climate change or growing inequality.
The fact though Mr. Galaxy is that re-aligning elections happen during both 2Ts and 4Ts. They happen about 40 years apart according to a famous cycle often discussed here. 1896 was certainly one during a 2T, and so was 1980, and 1932 was during the previous 4T, and as 1860 was during the previous civil war 4T, and so on.