Controversial Political Opinions

[Eric the Green]

(03-16-2022, 08:41 PM)JasonBlack Wrote:

(03-16-2022, 04:10 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: That sounds a bit better Jason, but I still quibble. That makes for discussion, at least.

I don't think women are less "industrious".

several studies have been done on this subject which suggest otherwise.

I don't see that you have quoted or referred to any such studies yet. Are you really suggesting that men work harder than women at their jobs? So a women seamstress is slower than a male one? Women who do jobs like Lucy and Ethel on the assembly line are slower and less industrious than males who do those jobs? That's what "industrious" means.

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Quote:There are differences between the sexes, but more and more it is being shown there are less than previously thought.

such as? from what I've seen, little evidence is pointing in this direction. apart from the differences I've already mentioned, men have about 17x more testosterone, have higher visual spacial intelligence, have lower verbal intelligence and produce far less oxytocin.

this article lists some other differences  
https://stanmed.stanford.edu/2017spring/...erent.html

I observe the results in performance, and I don't have studies to quote, but women have entered many occupations formerly held by only men and are doing well. Women executives have even run for political office as conservatives, like Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina, and I don't think they rose to their positions because they were less competent than men. Women do jobs in the military now, and I don't hear any reports that they are less competent in the jobs to which they are assigned. Women in sports are catching up to men too, and often have better endurance than many men. I don't put as much stock as you do on biological differences, not believing that biology is all that we are.

"Differences in human behavior are overwhelmingly cultural not biological as anthropologists have understood since at least 1910. Known biological controls of subtle, sophisticated behavior (within the normal range) are trivial. Behavior patterns rarely match the visible biological variations or putative race categories.....

Culture is a much more complicated and powerful force than people realize. Culture is not merely composed of superficial things people do (art, music), it is a complex “grammar” that defines and controls every aspect of people’s lives, including their actions, thoughts, identities, and self images. It defines appropriate behavior, values, morals, goals, and perceptions of cause and effect. It controls where people focus and what they selectively see and hear out of a stream of information otherwise too complex to comprehend. It controls methods of categorizing, analogies, and logic. It controls how and what people learn, and how they express what they have learned (e.g., medium, style, convention, meaning, and symbolism). It limits the available repertoire of thought and action, making behavior comprehensible and predictable within the group, while also enforcing group identity, and thus defining and separating “us” from of “them.” One’s culture can promote a sense of superiority over others, inculcating patterns, perceptions, and ethnocentrism, a kind of patriotism, through some form of both formal and informal learning of shared cultural perceptions, whether they are accurate or not...."

https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-scie...-iq-scores

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Quote:IQ tests are also geared toward the dominant culture and ethnic group.

Actually, most tests that account for cultural bias show wider gaps than the ones which don't attempt to account for it.

Cherry-picking of studies can support bogus claims. "New research suggests that a universal test of intelligence quotient does not exist. Results in this type of test are determined to a strong degree by cultural differences." https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...092048.htm

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Quote:In a 4T and 1T, gender widening may also be due to the increased tendency toward conformity and a reversion to the unjust and unfair ways of the past because rulers and other powerful people gain more power as crises demand swift and collective action.

with respect, boomer feminists are quite a bit more tolerable than millennial feminists, and I don't think you have experience dealing with the sheer viciousness of milllennial feminists and their doxxing, threats, physical abuse, and yes, false allegations (the 2% figure most people cite is false allegations that make it all the way to court, which is a small minority of total sexual allegations)

Of course, you have no reason to take the experience of my own or my friends' experiences at face value. There is a grim amount of evidence on this subject. 

.... look at these abuse statistics from the CDC. 
https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/p...2010-a.pdf
"According to the CDC’s statistics — estimates based on more than 18,000 telephone-survey responses in the United States — roughly 5,365,000 men had been victims of intimate partner physical violence in the previous 12 months, compared with 4,741,000 women"

But how severe are these violent attacks by women, as compared with those by men?

Maybe the stress of living in a 4T makes millennial women seem more "vicious"? No, I don't put much stock on personal experiences in place of stats. But if women are becoming more violent in intimate partnerships, what does this prove? That women are not as nice as they are portrayed? So what? Are you saying that, therefore, gender widening is not happening? You stated before than women are more "agreeable", and now you cite stats that you might say disprove this. Do you assign ANY valuable virtues to women, then, or are they now all gone among millennials?

And I'm sure you would not want to mention that enormous gap between women and men when it comes to violent crime in general.

Quote:And then we have the "Women Are Wonderful Effect". Mounting, replicable evidence has shown that both women and men view women substantially more favorably than they view men.
https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/201...-misogyny/

That sounds like sloganeering to me. Men saying women are "wonderful" does not account for the pay gaps and the glass ceilings.