What's your generation and how would you change your government?

[Eric the Green]

(03-27-2022, 12:25 PM)galaxy Wrote:

(03-21-2022, 12:56 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Things won't be exactly the same next time around starting in 2029, but it'll be enough alike so that the cycle goes on. Well, at least unless and until it doesn't. We get off Reaganomics in the 2020s, or we don't turn the cycle.

Not necessary to turn the cycle. Though it certainly would make the 1T a whole lot better. 1Ts are under no obligation to be "the good times." We may be heading for a turning like Moldova's current one. It's not exactly cheerful, but it is still just as much a 1T as the US had in the 1950s.

I don't know about Moldova, I don't think it's on a separate cycle. Too small. However, the only place in the anglo-american cycle for 500 years that ever had a bad-times 1T is the American South, or "Dixie." It eventually got over this, to some extent (it is still an extremely backward region) because of the North's power to create the Great Power USA. But what a failed 4T will bring now will be the end of democracy, the end of our republic, the end of our climate, the end of our health, and maybe the end of peace. That will be a lot worse than no "good times." It will in-fact be the end of the cycle. Only societies that progress and develop have saecula.

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(03-24-2022, 06:10 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: The crisis mindset is increasing; perhaps that offers some hope.

The regeneracy has been reached, at least in some countries. Germany is probably the strongest example right now, but really it's happening all over Europe. There have been some faint signs of it here (for example, the partisan gap in Ukraine/Russia support is literally zero), but I'm holding off on declaring it for now, mostly out of a feeling of "if a pandemic that sent the nation into lockdown for months and only barely avoided completely overwhelming our healthcare system didn't start it, how can anything else?"

The pandemic added to our 4T crisis for sure. It rallied the nation in so far as those people who resisted the anti-vaxxers got their treatments. But the regeneracy began with the huge rallies against Trump, and in 2018 there was a rebirth of citizenship all across the country, according to Obama, because people knew that "this time's different." I hope you saw that Obama speech; it is seminal both for all Americans and for generations theory. It was FDR's speech saying "this generation of Americans has a rendezvous with destiny" that inspired S&H books and thus this very forum. Obama's speech is the equivalent for this generation.
https://youtu.be/7hZgg_KjvDQ?t=2574

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(03-22-2022, 06:41 PM)JasonBlack Wrote: All those great Japanese video games are such precisely because they're on a different phase of the cycle than we are (or else, a different type of cycle altogether).

No, Japan is in a 4T. They're just good at making video games.

And 4T popular culture is often some of the best you'll find. I believe pbrower2a has posted several times about this, about how music and film from the 1930s and 1940s often still holds up very well today (which cannot be said for media of the 1T that followed). Perhaps in America the television of the 2010s, television's last decade before its death-by-streaming, will be remembered in the same way.

Maybe so for the previous 4T. Not for this one.

Current 4T culture is for a narrow sliver of young teenagers and maybe a few young adults. It has left me completely behind. The previous 4T culture appealed to people of all ages, and great culture always does.

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(03-22-2022, 06:41 PM)JasonBlack Wrote: Millennials are really a lot like soldiers in their constant desire to sniff out "deserters" in their midst. I don't see this going away during the 1T, in fact, I see it increasing as they fall into positions of greater institutional power.

This is something I've begun to worry about. When this characteristic really began to ramp up in 2017 I saw it as a good thing, but it's getting near-fanatical at this point.

Maybe so. I don't know how such a characteristic can be demonstrated. I see it occasionally, as it impacted me, but it's hard to say overall.