Fourth Turning is Here! And no one is here!

[Eric the Green]

(04-10-2022, 09:19 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(04-10-2022, 09:15 AM)beechnut79 Wrote:

(04-10-2022, 09:06 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(04-09-2022, 03:01 PM)beechnut79 Wrote: Where progressive reforms are concerned, two Democratic Presidents, Clinton and Obama, really talked the talk during their campaigns but neither could walk the walk once they assumed office. Now do we need to be careful of Biden completing the trifecta?

Biden has the excuse of needing support in the Senate that's just not there.  Neither Obama nor Clinton had that issue, so no. Biden is failing due to the failure of the electorate ... and I say that as one of Biden's less-than-ecstatic supporters.   We needed a young firebrand and got a blast from the past.

But Obama was a young firebrand as he was only 46 when he was campaigning and added a year three months before the election. So, why do you think he was less successful as a progressive than what so many of us had hoped for?

Obama spent his POTUS years looking over his shoulder.  Don't do too much and be seen as uppity!  Don't give the race-haters an excuse to hate!  It limited him in the worst way: self-restraint being stronger than any outside force.

Obama was somewhat successful during the 7 months that he had a congress. No president can do that much without a congress.

"Biden has the excuse of needing support in the Senate that's just not there. Neither Obama nor Clinton had that issue, so no. Biden is failing due to the failure of the electorate ... and I say that as one of Biden's less-than-ecstatic supporters. We needed a young firebrand and got a blast from the past."

Yes, they DID have that excuse, David. The Republicans are fanatics, so all they needed in their day to block everything was 40 votes. So in effect, neither Clinton nor Obama had a congress for very long. Clinton had 2 years, but many more Democrats were fake ones in his day, and he never had a 60-vote majority to overcome a filibuster. Obama only had 7 months. Between the time Al Franken was allowed to be seated after recounts in Minnesota, and Brown took Ted Kennedy's seat in a Massachusetts special election, Obama had 60 votes to bypass the filibuster, but only with bills acceptable to some fake Democrats. That was enough to get Obamacare barely passed, and a stimulus and some Wall Street Reform. After that, nuthin. Even the most charismatic young firebrand cannot get anything done in this backward, prejudiced, bought-and-paid-for country without a fully-Democratic congress.

So Obama and Clinton also largely failed due to the failure of the electorate, which needed to provide a Democratic president with a 60-vote senate majority in order to accomplish anything. If liberals, and young people who strongly tend liberal, do not vote in midterm elections, they take support away from their president. They did this in the 1994 and 2010 elections, so the Clinton and Obama administrations were over as far as progress was concerned after 2 years or less.

Biden has the advantage now (that Obama and Clinton did not) that he can get 2 bills a year passed with majority vote through reconciliation, if they involve the budget process. Even then, he only got 49 votes from Democrats for BBBBB, but fake Democrat Joe Manchin would not support the BBBBB, so we are still stuck in Reaganomics. And it looks like "the base is less enthusiastic", and without Trump to motivate them to vote, it looks like they won't, so Biden will be deprived of support also. People blame the president for the fact that our government cannot accomplish anything, but they need to look in the mirror.

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