The Log Cabin Libertarians?

[Eric the Green]

(05-23-2022, 08:50 AM)JasonBlack Wrote:

(05-16-2022, 02:49 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(05-15-2022, 09:13 PM)JasonBlack Wrote:

(05-15-2022, 09:01 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Aren't most LBGTQ people involved in monogamy? I think you exaggerate the reckless rebellion and histrionics in gay culture. Perhaps it seems that way from the safe distance of a red state, viewed on conservative media perhaps?

If anything, histrionic persecution and attack on non-straight-white communities has escalated since Trump came down that escalator, and since Tucker Carlson took up his cause. We see more and more Charlottesvilles and Buffalos, and more and more attempts to rob them of their voting rights.

I lived in Chicago for half a decade. I'm not sheltered when it comes to gay culture (though I do likely have a lower threshold for what is considered degenerate, as far as both gay and straight culture are concerned)

It may not take very long to get a distorted view of what's happening if one lives in a red state. Maybe that's not true for you, I don't know, but it also seems to me that red states are in anything getting redder despite migration trends. Living in the SF/SJ Bay Area I have my share of acquaitance with LGBTQ people, and I think the majority are monogamous. Even if not, there's nothing wrong with playing the field either. As for histrionics, maybe what you see is just what I would call having some fun. But I'm not sure what you refer to.

One thing I have recently become informed about is how many trans-gender people of color are murdered just for who they are. And Republicans are taking advantage of homophobia to wage culture wars against gays by passing ludricrous laws. So to say there's no more need for gay and trans social movements seems incorrect to me. I would not deny that people in social movements can become extreme and annoying in their defensiveness, and that does not help their cause with other people.

The most I'm willing to grant this is that it's an immature phase a lot of young males go through. It's not supposed to be the norm for people to either just have sex or go through strings of serial monogamy until they're 40 and childless. I'm not suggesting we make anything illegal here, but the culture of cheap sex, disloyalty and lack of deeper intimacy has fucked a lot of people up over the last few decades. It used to be largely a gay cultural trend, now straight people have adopted it.

I don't care that much about what is "supposed to be the norm." It seems to me that the traditional norms have supported tyranny and violence through the ages. But I don't know what is right about sex. A part of me wants to respect people enough not to use them for sex objects and pleasure without intimacy. Another part of me enjoyed the relative ease of availability of sex in the late 20th century, without which I might not have "had any." It seems natural for younger people to play the field and to be promiscuous more than older people. This has often been true, despite religious and legal restraints. It also offers the chance to find the right partner, which in times of "old norms" was not permitted. It is also useful in our times of overpopulation to separate sex from bearing children. On the other hand, there are drawbacks to free-wheeling sexual lifestyles, like hurt feelings, disease and irresponsible childbirths. So to have a moral compass is necessary. Treat others as you would wish to be treated.

What is certain is that people need to be accepted despite their approach to gender and sex, and not used a political pawns to stir up prejudice and violence and get more people to vote for market libertarians disguised as culture warriors.