The denouement?

[pbrower2a]

(09-24-2022, 04:09 PM)JasonBlack Wrote:

(08-20-2022, 12:14 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: For child Idealists, 1T's might seem creepy. Adults seem uptight about things that one might think silly. Uncritical conformity is not a way for young Idealists  whose childhoods afford perhaps more privacy and room for intellectual (as intellectual as is possible for a child). Children are not compelled to conform to the extreme except in very repressive societies.

They sound creepy to me as an adult. Even 3T/early 4T suburbia kind of creeped me out a bit and reminded me of robots. Given 1Ts tend to be both more uniform and more collectivistic, I can only imagine they would be ill-received by the young. Fortunately, I will likely be in a position where I can more readily afford to separate from reality and find peace and quiet. The young never have this option.

I thought that it was Boomers who thought much about the last 1T as 'creepy'. Maybe it was usually children who were most critical of a time in which they were children, whether Reactives during an Awakening, Civics during a mindless and chaotic Unraveling, or Adaptives who were stifled during a scary Crisis. 

It's telling that the GI culture of the last High is readily available at Goodwill as their kids clear out the vinyl LPs and primitive electronics of GI's who died over the last thirty or so years. Bing Crosby, Guy Lombardo, Lawrence Welk, Perry Como, Patti Page, etc. in music? It all seems corny now for its insipid sentimentality. Figure that the only people who could cherish this were people who missed out on the Voyage to the Interior of an Idealist, the brash hedonism of a Reactive, or even the whimsy of an Adaptive. The Big Band material does get revival, if only because it was some of the best pop culture ever (think of Strauss waltzes, ragtime, and the original model for the Big Band pattern -- Josef Haydn and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. Considering that Mozart and Haydn wrote music that succeeded at multiple levels of aesthetic satisfaction, the question may be why people don't see the "classical" era of music as pop music at its best. It was so received at its time. 

Maybe American pop culture would be different had Glenn Miller lived to a ripe old age. Boomers would have reacted to the blandness of the GI culture even without the Vietnam War; there would have been an Awakening, and it would have been more strictly cultural.  

Quote:In my opinion, one of the main differences in how each generation deals with any given turning is shaped by the degree to which one is forced to deal with society directly.

Messrs. Howe and Strauss would likely agree with that. 

Quote:- Children have no escape from needing to interact with the world constantly (even if primarily via observation and play for the first half. you just don't have the kind of boundaries or autonomy to decide too much at that age),

Children are helpless, and if they try to do something to improve their lot it is usually futile.  Adults like the Brothers Grimm, Lewis Carroll, L. Frank Baum, Walt Disney, and J. K. Rowling create the fantasies made available to children -- or someone like Mark Twain or  the creators behind The Little Rascals tells them what reality is even if in the latter it is a parody.   

The old saying "curiosity killed the cat" applies more to children than to cats. Feline curiosity brings cats into contact with prey; child curiosity has them wandering recklessly into traffic or falling off a bridge into a raging torrent of frigid water

Quote:She was born in 1936. She slipped off an icy bridge over in Union City, Michigan, and fell into the St. Joseph River and either drowned, died of internal injuries, or died of hypothermia. Her body was discovered several miles west in St. Joseph County, Michigan on April 3, 1942. The death record is in St. Joseph County, Michigan, where her body was found; it is highly likely that she died in Branch County.

This is one of my relatives, and names have been hidden to protect innocent people. Six-year-old children lack the survival skills of six-month-old kittens who grow up with instincts that say "trust nobody", including cars, bigger cats, and strange dogs. The wiser one gets the better one is in assessing danger such as an icy bridge over a raging torrent of recent snow over a rocky channel.  

OK, her parents are deceased, no criminal charges were filed, and I can give you a source largely of my compilation:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Knauss-207

I do genealogy as a hobby. I find myself finding plenty of history from it. I can tell you something about the "Wicked Witch of the West" of the Wizard of Oz.  I've seen the story many times. The fourth daughter of an aristocratic English family has few advantages in life, but she does get to marry some promising prole in England. She leaves England with her "common" husband whose work ethic is better suited to America (where he does well) than to England taking a little finery with her. Like most aristocrats she is accustomed to treating people badly but cherishing the fine stuff that her grandchildren come to loathe because that stuff that she defends so militantly, When she dies, her grandchildren who could never bond to her get the finery that she defended so militantly and destroy it in a bonfire, often whooping it up "like Indians", and that often leads to the story that her grandchildren were part-Indian. No --her grandchildren treated her as a witch whose death was something to be celebrated, much like the Munchkins celebrate the death of the Wicked Witch of the West in The Wizard of Oz. Now, to spoof Paul Harvey, you know the r-r-r-r-r-Rest of the Story!

Quote:- Rising adults need to be adaptable and receptive to carve out their niche in the world around them

Rising adults enter the adult world only to find it economically and administratively unwelcoming. The jobs offered are mostly dreadful. They pay badly, demand that one bow and scrape or expose oneself to great danger (because people less 'expendable' would avoid them). They find themselves in a dog-eat-dog world of inhuman competition for abysmal wages, and if they can't live with their parents they end up competing for slum housing both dreadful and overpriced. Management, often by people little less craven than they because those two are still wet behind the ears, is dehumanizing. But if one lacks marketable skills, then such is what one can expect. At the worst they become cannon fodder in wars for profit or for the dubious glory of "their country" -- like World War I, the Russian front in World War II, or the Iran-Iraq war. 

So one develops skills and finds something better fitting one's personality. One eventually learns to work smart as a way to avoid exhausting toil. Or one starts a business or finds one's way into some semblance of a trade or profession -- or leads a miserable life. 

Quote:- Midlifers generally have the experience and walkaway power to curate their immediate environment, as well as living quarters further from the hustle and bustle and increasingly taking on a mindset of "I'm 45. I'm sick of dealing with your shit".

Some people simply burn out by the time that they are in their 40's. Some find early-adult life so distressing that they commit quick suicide by means that I need not mention or kill themselves more slowly with drugs or alcohol. The more lucky ones find themselves in midlife patterns of life by age 30, and those may be the happiest people. Those are the people who can do much the same things at 45 (if perhaps with more refinement and economic success) and are well positioned to enjoy life into their 70's and 80's, whether as creative people, academics, professionals, business owners,  or even skilled workers.  

Quote:- Elders (to the extent that they are free of the most severe physical or psychological ailments) have the most ability to interact with the world on their own terms. They don't generally have the most independence so much as they are the most free from the constraints of authority figures and career responsibilities. Most do not choose to opt out entirely, as this is an age where people tend to care greatly about the future prosperity of their children, grandchildren and greater community, but many retain this option.

See above. The happiest of them are living much as they did in a generally-happy midlife. Their work might be physically light, but it is satisfying in itself.  The sustainable midlife is a good way to age.  

Quote:On balance: children and rising adults feel more of the pressures of a given turning, midlifers and elders a bit less.

The well-prepared people in midlife who carry no monstrous grudges against the Establishment (like Barack Obama) fare better than those seething with rage (Adolf Hitler) and take on powers that nobody should ever have.