Is there anything you'd be willing to fight a war for?

[Eric the Green]

(10-27-2022, 10:09 AM)JasonBlack Wrote:

(10-25-2022, 04:01 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: The South is perhaps (and very likely) the worst place by any measure in the developed world. It has the worst stats on all measures of any region in the USA, and the USA itself has the worst stats on all measures of any developed country. Many places in the South are as bad as the worst third world countries. No, I am not from the South, and I would not even visit there. I'd be taking my life in my hands. No thanks Dixie.

Every measure except inbound moves apparently. There are WAY more transplants from up north than the reverse. Turns out people like good manners, delicious food and beautiful scenery more than identity politics and the puzzling combination of moral crusades and rampant degeneracy. I'll give Cali some credit though, some of your scenery is breathtaking too once you get out of the urban centers. In my experience, rural Californians are several cuts above the rest, and they're more than welcome in my state as long as they leave the baggage of broken city planning and identitarian madness behind where it belongs. Urban elite Californians though? ....eww, I hope they stay where they are.

Ordinarily, I would avoid such conversations, as taking pride in something you have no control over seems useless to me, but in this case, I make a deliberate decision to move after studying the cultures and laws of various states, and I think I made the right decision.

In all stats, the South is degenerate.

I'll take freer lifestyles and cultural richness over racism and religious right fanaticism any day.

I think some northern cities like San Francisco have world-famous cuisine. Northern cities tend to have modern transit too, making them easy to get to for many living nearby.

I would take northern coasts and mountain lakes any day over southern scenery. I don't agree there with you either. The South is swampy, and full of poor, uncared-for cities and people, and that is not good scenery. Tobacco farms, factory farms, polluted rivers and cotton fields are not scenic to me. By contrast, northern urban centers have more parks, scenic areas, and other accessible natural places than any place in the South, or any place in the world. The South has no conservation or ecological ethic, and it thinks Nature is just something to subdue and use to extract fossil fuels from. Cancer alleys in places like Louisiana are common. Urban "elite" Californians create spaces that refresh the soul and the body; southerners who actually keep our real elites in power with their votes do not.

Right now, some northern areas are losing population because either their old industrial base has been decimated by national neoliberal Reaganomics policies voted in by southerners for 40 plus years, or because they are such desirable places that it costs too much to live there for many people these days. Also, it gets cold up north, and in de-industrialized times there is not as much money to keep people in cold places. Also, admittedly some greedy businessmen prefer to move to southern red states for the lower taxes and regulations, which backfires on them eventually because socially-responsible governments actually enhance infrastructure, education, prosperity and opportunity while neoliberal Reaganomics austerity does not. BUT, global warming is proceeding, and this may reverse the moves, as it gets too hot there and too subject to floods, storms and fires down south.

And this is not to mention the higher level of violent crime, especially gun crime, because of their outrageous, deadly gun policies. The South is totally unsafe due to this factor alone.