Fighting The Fourth Reich

[Kinser79]

(08-25-2017, 07:34 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-25-2017, 03:36 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(08-25-2017, 02:40 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: On Whig ideas.  Are king’s powers diminished?  Are slaves freed?  Are human rights spreading?  Have robber baron’s increased their power at the expense of aristocratic landowners?  If you look at S&H crises in the Anglo American sequence over the last 500 years or so, can you not often find a progressive faction, advocating one or more of these ideas, and moving on to ‘win’ the crisis?

Do you not realize that if Britain had stuck through the war instead of growing tired of fighting the colonials that there would have been no United States.  That the revered founding fathers would have been hanged like traitors.  Do you not realize that had the South succeeded in defeated the North not only would none of the slaves been freed, but that the country would be split in twain.  Do you not realize that had there not been WW2 people would have eventually grown tired of the ineffective New Deal.  

It is after the 4T is won, by someone, that who is and who is not progressive is determined.  History as ever, is written by the victors.

The twist I'm interested in here is in how we go about proving our values.  I quote history.  You create a bunch of alternate histories that never happened.  I agree that history is written by the victors.  It's just that the victors are generally attempting to enable the new economy and technology,  and support human rights, equality and democracy.  There are reasons why the real history books, those written by the real victors, lean Wiggish.  I expect in the long run this will continue.

This does not make it ideal not to remember what has been best over the past.  The real one, I mean, not your imaginary past.

Bob...when it comes to history I find we often don't dispute what happened.  Where we dispute over is why what happened happened in the way it did.  You can call that "alternative" like that is some sort of insult, but I've been "alternative" my whole life.  It is practically a requirement when being in the mainstream practically requires one to be mentally ill.

I do not expect that the left forces will continue your Whiggish path.  They are too far gone, given to authoritarianism, political "correctness", socialism and so forth.  Indeed for them to win would result in a massive step backwards.  Rather, the right will win and a new birth of freedom will likely occur sometime after a massive physical removal of the parasites of the body politic.

It is only after that physical removal that it will be determined which side was the side of progress.